How would you rate John Chavis as a Defensive Coordinator?

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butchna said:
This is all made up bull! 🤣 Donnan hired the Vols recruiting ace two years in a row and gave them on-field coaching duties. That’s how he lured Garner. “Reported”...should be available or you’re lying. Name one recruit at UT Cut personally landed...waiting! What Cut was/is great at is instilling scheme and fundamentals in players...something he shared with Chavis. You and your determined haters in this thread are the only ones that KNOW Chavis as only above average...the rest of the conference would label you as delusional.
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Cutcliff was the reason for Peyton coming to Tennessee. That is who he landed. I know Chavis recruited Daniel Brooks (RIP), not sure about anyone else.

I'm not hating on Chavis, just stating the truth. Chavis was a gruff SOB that didn't like coaches he felt were hot shots. Didn't like Trooper Taylor either and thought Randy Sanders was in over his head as OC (which he was).

All I'm saying is Chavis was a B- overall as a DC.
 
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butchna said:
This is all made up bull! 🤣 Donnan hired the Vols recruiting ace two years in a row and gave them on-field coaching duties. That’s how he lured Garner. “Reported”...should be available or you’re lying. Name one recruit at UT Cut personally landed...waiting! What Cut was/is great at is instilling scheme and fundamentals in players...something he shared with Chavis. You and your determined haters in this thread are the only ones that KNOW Chavis as only above average...the rest of the conference would label you as delusional.
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Wasn’t it Cut that started coaching Peyton on a visit while Fulmer ate cookies and drank milk with Peyton’s Mom and Dad?
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Wasn’t it Cut that started coaching Peyton on a visit while Fulmer ate cookies and drank milk with Peyton’s Mom and Dad?
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I’m sure something like that. Didn’t Cut build the snowman on campus that sealed the deal?
 
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Bigun said:
Cutcliff was the reason for Peyton coming to Tennessee. That is who he landed. I know Chavis recruited Daniel Brooks (RIP), not sure about anyone else.

I'm not hating on Chavis, just stating the truth. Chavis was a gruff SOB that didn't like coaches he felt were hot shots. Didn't like Trooper Taylor either and thought Randy Sanders was in over his head as OC (which he was).

All I'm saying is Chavis was a B- overall as a DC.
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He coached Peyton...very well and has a relationship that has lasted through their lives. He didn’t land him as a recruit. Sounds like Fulmer concurred on Taylor if that’s true and reality concurs on Sanders. Just because you’ve deluded yourself doesn’t make said false information “truth”. Chavis earned an A+++ just for this conversation. Anyone who recalls late great poster Rich Rollins, my last conversation with him was over a post where I brought up Chief’s failings on 3rd down and the lack of adjustments against Matt Mauck in that regretful SEC Championship game. Lit into me like never before! To think that I’d be the one arguing for Chavis these many years later. 🤔
 
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For a while, he was considered an elite DC. He is still a good DC but he probably needs to refine his game a tad. Also, he doesn't have the same level of recruits to work with anymore.
 
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one of the best ever......as long as he had NFL defensive linemen, otherwise meh
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Wasn’t it Cut that started coaching Peyton on a visit while Fulmer ate cookies and drank milk with Peyton’s Mom and Dad?
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If you read Peyton and Archie's book he details his recruitment and it was Cutcliff and Spurrier were the only two coaches that could talk ball with Peyton. Talked about Peyton and Cutcliff designing and drawing out plays on napkins while at the dinner table. It's the reason Eli went to Ole Miss was because of Cut.
 
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timmessee said:
Nope. Recruiting is the reason CPF has NC on his resume and the Chief didn't do much of that. I'd give him an overall B for his time at Tennessee; he was a good but not great DC.
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You cant have it both ways. If you're going to blame him for the defensive meltdowns then you have to praise him for when it performed well. Otherwise, blame the defensive players for not executing.
 
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Bigun said:
If you read Peyton and Archie's book he details his recruitment and it was Cutcliff and Spurrier were the only two coaches that could talk ball with Peyton. Talked about Peyton and Cutcliff designing and drawing out plays on napkins while at the dinner table. It's the reason Eli went to Ole Miss was because of Cut.
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The reason Eli went to Ole Miss is because every Manning except Peyton went to Ole Miss.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
LOL they lost 10-7. Hardly the fault of the defense.
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Allowed 38 to LSU, 36 to Bama and 49 to Arkansas...”stingy” against anyone with talent. 😉Allowed a TD to a losing Kentucky squad with a QB who hadn’t played the position since high school...garbage.
 
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Not sure why so many feel the need to crap on the man. He was a good DC, and an excellent LB coach. Think of the LBs he produced at UT, many who did not start out at the position. Sure, third and Chavis still gives us nightmares, but overall, he did a pretty good job. Obviously some are forgetting the defensive units he produced at UT.
 
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butchna said:
Allowed 38 to LSU, 36 to Bama and 49 to Arkansas...”stingy” against anyone with talent. 😉Allowed a TD to a losing Kentucky squad with a QB who hadn’t played the position since high school...garbage.
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I wasn't speaking about those other games. We were talking strictly about KY. Kentucky scored that lone touchdown late in the game. That TD SHOULD have been completely inconsequential to the game. With our offensive firepower that year, we should've been up by 4 touchdowns.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I wasn't speaking about those other games. We were talking strictly about KY. Kentucky scored that lone touchdown late in the game. That TD SHOULD have been completely inconsequential to the game. With our offensive firepower that year, we should've been up by 4 touchdowns.
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You called his defenses stingy...seemed pretty generous. Overrated.
 
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The third and Chavis is a cliche. but IMO and based on my best recall, his issue was at the end of a game with one score to win it, our opponents knew he was going into a standard prevent defense. Safeties 25 and 30 yards off the LOS, corners playing way soft. Against talented teams, they'd dink and dunk us to a win. Sometimes when we had good offensive teams they would screw up and leave enough time on the clock where we did the same thing to them and would pull it out late. He was and remains a good DC but he was just to old school at the end of games with it on the line he couldn't stop hardly anybody with a just a decent offense.
 
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butchna said:
He coached Peyton...very well and has a relationship that has lasted through their lives. He didn’t land him as a recruit. Sounds like Fulmer concurred on Taylor if that’s true and reality concurs on Sanders. Just because you’ve deluded yourself doesn’t make said false information “truth”. Chavis earned an A+++ just for this conversation. Anyone who recalls late great poster Rich Rollins, my last conversation with him was over a post where I brought up Chief’s failings on 3rd down and the lack of adjustments against Matt Mauck in that regretful SEC Championship game. Lit into me like never before! To think that I’d be the one arguing for Chavis these many years later. 🤔
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I seent that comin. Lol.
 
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