How would you feel about Fulmer eventually replacing Hamilton as Athletic Director?

[utmba93]

Not so sure about that.

I think if he survives the next three months, he can count on his job through the football season. If that goes okay, he's probably safe for another season.

The man is on shaky grounds either until he is terminated or until Dooley proves he can beat Bama (Saban) and Florida (Meyer). Vol fans expect no less.

He has a few years to do that, but the standard is the same as it always has been.

Hamilton's short-term problems go well beyond the Dooley hire.

 

[peppervol]

The problem with the argument against CPF which relies on his not having business experience is that Hamilton is a poor example of how a business mind could add value as AD.

He's pissed away more money than any coach as AD ever had. He's a crappy negotiator and he can't sell Tennessee to anyone with a proven record.

Hammy just doesn't make the case that it's better to hire a person with business experience... and I'm one who agrees with the principle.

He's just incompetent. As is true with any other profession, there are quite a few incompetent people in business. In well-run organizations, they are either never hired or they get fired. If they run their own business, it fails.

Hamilton should go whether Fulmer replaces him or not.

Definitely food for thought, 93. Very well thought-out post and well said. Not sure about Hammy going. Let's see how the Dooley hire goes. God knows, I've got my fingers crossed and have done a hundred Hail Mary's.

 

[NYYVol]

My, my. We sure took a double dose of our "arrogance" medication today, didn't we? What's it like to know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING? That's O.K. I really don't care to know.

Do you have any inkling on the financial decisions an AD has to make in one damn day?

You, nor your beloved Failmer could do a half-way decent job.

Now go back to worshipping at the Failmer Shrine at your local Shoney's.
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[Vercingetorix]

The problem with the argument against CPF which relies on his not having business experience is that Hamilton is a poor example of how a business mind could add value as AD.

So all those facilities upgrades -- the stadium renovation, the TBA renovation, the Pratt Pavilion, everything else -- all that just financed itself, right?

He's pissed away more money than any coach as AD ever had. He's a crappy negotiator and he can't sell Tennessee to anyone with a proven record.

Tennessee's roster situation is such that it's like taking over a team on probation, with a pain in the ass recruiting situation, that plays Florida and Alabama every year, with a fanbase that expects to win championships sooner rather than later. I know that some of you think that all Hamilton has to do is pull out pictures of the Vol Navy and top coaches will start jumping out of their shoes to leave their perfectly good programs to come to Knoxville, but it really isn't as much of a no-brainer of a job as a lot of you think it is.

 

[utmba93]

So all those facilities upgrades -- the stadium renovation, the TBA renovation, the Pratt Pavilion, everything else -- all that just financed itself, right?

Players and coaches who won games for UT teams deserve more credit than the guy who stuck his hand out to ask boosters to contribute. Winning, not begging, is at the root of that success, imo.

 

[foreignvol]

NO.

Stop letting your emotions affect your thought processes.


Again, NO.

 

[tvolsfan]

I can't really blame Hamilton for not selling Tennessee. We want a guy to walk into a messy situation and make us nationally relevant while our two biggest rivals are awesome and coached by possibly the two best coaches in the country.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Players and coaches who won games for UT teams deserve more credit than the guy who stuck his hand out to ask boosters to contribute. Winning, not begging, is at the root of that success, imo.

Then how are we in the middle of a massive expensive renovation of Neyland when the football team hasn't won a damn thing in over a decade? You have to do fundraising; you have to arrange financing. You have to manage investments so that you have the cash on hand to start projects when you need them. I would have expected a guy with MBA in his username to understand that you can win 10 championships in a row and it still doesn't build you a new stadium.

 

[Hillbully]

I like Fulmer being associated with Tennessee. I would be okay with him as AD. If he performed poorly he would be gone.

 

[jobiwan]

I like Fulmer being associated with Tennessee. I would be okay with him as AD. If he performed poorly he would be gone.

Right, he's such a big part of our history. If he wants to come back in some capacity (including AD), I'd be fine with that.

 

[utmba93]

Then how are we in the middle of a massive expensive renovation of Neyland when the football team hasn't won a damn thing in over a decade? You have to do fundraising; you have to arrange financing. You have to manage investments so that you have the cash on hand to start projects when you need them. I would have expected a guy with MBA in his username to understand that you can win 10 championships in a row and it still doesn't build you a new stadium.

Don't overcomplicate the business model of a sports program. Cash flow follows victory at the highest levels attainable.

Generating revenues and donations is mostly about winning. Don't be silly. It doesn't take an MBA.

Quit crediting Hamilton for what UT players and coaches accomplish.

TBA improvements: Pat Summitt and the Lady Vols

Neyland renovations: To say the football team hasn't won 'a damn thing' in over a decade is flat wrong. That's a slap in the face to a lot of players and coaches who did a whole lot more than Hamilton to earn the program the revenues it has.

The success of the Vols franchise from the Majors years forward deserves credit.

And while we're talking about it, why not credit CBP and CBP's players for their success?

If you don't believe in UT, you can't sell it. You've got a bad case of Hamiltonitis. Quit making excuses for not being able to hire quality coaches. And quit pretending UT just showed up for college football when Hamilton arrived on the scene. Nothing could be further from the truth. The fact that the guy can even make people think UT is just not desirable enough to be able to hire a quality coach is just too stupid.

The least the program can do is give another man a chance. I've heard enough bellyaching about how hard his job is. Give it to someone who, at the very least, has enough confidence to do the job. That alone disqualifies you and Hamilton.

 

[Volunteeer]

Definitely food for thought, 93. Very well thought-out post and well said. Not sure about Hammy going. Let's see how the Dooley hire goes. God knows, I've got my fingers crossed and have done a hundred Hail Mary's.

A lot of rhetoric with no facts to back it. I'm not a huge mh supporter, but this argument isn't very persuasive and I'm relatively neutral on the subject.

I am however queasy from even thinking of fulmer as ad.

 

[peppervol]

Players and coaches who won games for UT teams deserve more credit than the guy who stuck his hand out to ask boosters to contribute. Winning, not begging, is at the root of that success, imo.

So true,93. So very true.

 

[utmba93]

A lot of rhetoric with no facts to back it. I'm not a huge mh supporter, but this argument isn't very persuasive and I'm relatively neutral on the subject.

I am however queasy from even thinking of fulmer as ad.

There are a million facts on this issue. I'm not trying to be the recorder of facts.

Think about what you feel the AD should be able to accomplish and then read around a bit. It's been summarized in different ways by different people. There are several other threads on the Hamilton issue.

I've also said that there are two seperate decisions: (1) fire Hamilton as AD and (2) hire Fulmer as AD. They need not be joined.

Personally, I won't lose sleep if he isn't fired this week. I'm just noting that the man sux at this particular job and UT surely can do better.

 

[jarvol]

Going the way of Vanderbilt and removing the AD position entirely would be a better option than hiring that POS.

+1 x Obama's budget

Hamilton ain't leaving until Haslem and Anderson get tired of having him do what they tell him to do.

 

[peppervol]

Do you have any inkling on the financial decisions an AD has to make in one damn day?

You, nor your beloved Failmer could do a half-way decent job.

Now go back to worshipping at the Failmer Shrine at your local Shoney's.
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I have run my own business, quite successfully, for over thirty years. I make more financial decisions in a week than you do in years, you rank amatuer. Criticizing a man and name-calling him is the easiest thing in life. It requires NO talent or skills. ZERO. NADA. It, truly, is the act of a coward.

 

[jarvol]

I like Fulmer being associated with Tennessee. I would be okay with him as AD. If he performed poorly he would be gone.

There hasn't been a damn thing stopping Fulmer from volunteering and being involved with the UTAD from fundraisers to the Big Orange Caravan to speaking to alumni associations across the country other than his ego. It would be kind of nice to see him earn a little of his $6 million walk away money.

 

[SGMVols]

I have run my own business, quite successfully, for over thirty years. I make more financial decisions in a week than you do in years, you rank amatuer. Criticizing a man and name-calling him is the easiest thing in life. It requires NO talent or skills. ZERO. NADA. It, truly, is the act of a coward.

The irony in this post is epic.

 

[jarvol]

The irony in this post is epic.

ironic, hypocritical.....love it when people get personal after blasting others for getting personal :thumbsup:

 

[peppervol]

The irony in this post is epic.

Laughable. Why don't you go invest in a dictionary? Goodbye.

 

[SGMVols]

Laughable. Why don't you go invest in a dictionary? Goodbye.

You called him a "rank amateur" and then went into a rant of how name-calling requires no talent and is an act of cowardice. If you don't want to be called out, then stop posting idiocy. It's simple.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Don't overcomplicate the business model of a sports program. Cash flow follows victory at the highest levels attainable.

Generating revenues and donations is mostly about winning. Don't be silly. It doesn't take an MBA.

Quit crediting Hamilton for what UT players and coaches accomplish.

Obviously winning makes the money flow more freely, but you still have to do fundraising. You still have to secure financing. You still have to do all the boring detailwork that makes buildlings actually come up out of the ground.

TBA improvements: Pat Summitt and the Lady Vols

Hahahaha. Surely you're not serious. Tell me you're not serious. If you really think that women's basketball paid for the TBA renovations, then there's really no point in discussing any of this any further.

Neyland renovations: To say the football team hasn't won 'a damn thing' in over a decade is flat wrong. That's a slap in the face to a lot of players and coaches who did a whole lot more than Hamilton to earn the program the revenues it has.

So what have they won in the last decade, other than an Outback Bowl and a Cotton Bowl? Don't tell me you're one of these nimrods who believe in an "SEC East Championship."

If you don't believe in UT, you can't sell it. You've got a bad case of Hamiltonitis. Quit making excuses for not being able to hire quality coaches. And quit pretending UT just showed up for college football when Hamilton arrived on the scene. Nothing could be further from the truth. The fact that the guy can even make people think UT is just not desirable enough to be able to hire a quality coach is just too stupid.

The least the program can do is give another man a chance. I've heard enough bellyaching about how hard his job is. Give it to someone who, at the very least, has enough confidence to do the job. That alone disqualifies you and Hamilton.

I've been following Tennessee football since Bill Battle was the coach. It's a fabulous program and normally a great job, but you're kidding yourself if you don't realize that we're in a big hole right now. The roster situation is functionally the same thing as being on probation for a few years. We have fewer than 50 scholarship players returning next year. I don't think it makes me some kind of self-loathing bellyacher to understand why an ambitious coach would look at our roster, the lack of depth, the recruiting challenges we face, and the schedule we play and opt to pass on it for now. We're going to need somebody to build the roster back up to 85 scholarship players before it becomes an attractive job again. Like it or not, we're in our Mike Shula phase. You sound just like Alabama fans in 2003 who couldn't understand why no good coach wanted to take over that mess.

 

[peppervol]

You called him a "rank amateur" and then went into a rant of how name-calling requires no talent and is an act of cowardice. If you don't want to be called out, then stop posting idiocy. It's simple.

The "rant" on name-calling and personal attacks was in reference to yours and his on Coach Phil Fulmer, not me, you goober. Read his post. I have no problem with being called out, as long as it's by someone with half a brain that knows anything that they're talking about. In this case, neither.

 

[SGMVols]

The "rant" on name-calling and personal attacks was in reference to yours and his on Coach Phil Fulmer, not me, you goober. Read his post. I have no problem with being called out, as long as it's by someone with half a brain that knows anything that they're talking about. In this case, neither.

So name-calling is OK as long as you're the one doing it.

Got to love hypocrisy.

 

[peppervol]

So name-calling is OK as long as you're the one doing it.

Got to love hypocrisy.

You're talking about yourself, dude. You are truly hopeless. Wasting no more of my time on you.