How well does Butch recruit?

#202
#202
'Boro-vol said:
...for many that means ignoring the facts of the situation as well, and employing unwaiveringly positive groupthink.
Click to expand...

Umm, Boro, you are aware that "positive groupthink" is kind of an integral part of any fan gathering?

You don't have to be "right" to be a fan, just loyal and positive and supportive. No one is going to castigate the Tennessee fan base if we over-estimate the team's future success. It's all kind of just expected of fans. :)
 
#204
#204
VFL-82-JP said:
Umm, Boro, you are aware that "positive groupthink" is kind of an integral part of any fan gathering?

You don't have to be "right" to be a fan, just loyal and positive and supportive. No one is going to castigate the Tennessee fan base if we over-estimate the team's future success. It's all kind of just expected of fans. :)
Click to expand...

I know some of you would rather be positive than right, yes.

As a supporter of the program rather than any one individual, I desire what is best for the team rather than happy "feels" and unwavering support of the current coach.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#206
#206
'Boro-vol said:
I know some of you would rather be positive than right, yes.

As a supporter of the program rather than any one individual, I desire what is best for the team rather than happy "feels" and unwavering support of the current coach.
Click to expand...

But I wasn't talking about the current coach. I was talking about the team, the program. Go back and check my first response to you, I'll give you a moment.

You say "rather be positive than right" as if you think that's an insult. To a fan, it's a great compliment. The insult would be to say a person would rather be right (a selfish motive) than be positive about the team (a selfless motive).

Maybe we need fewer fans who are all stuck on being 'right' all the time. Maybe if they would relax their e-cred drive and just go with the flow of being Tennessee Volunteers fans, they'd enjoy themselves more, and we'd all enjoy their company more.

That's just a thought.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#207
#207
VFL-82-JP said:
But I wasn't talking about the current coach. I was talking about the team, the program. Go back and check my first response to you, I'll give you a moment.

You say "rather be positive than right" as if you think that's an insult. To a fan, it's a great compliment. The insult would be to say a person would rather be right (a selfish motive) than be positive about the team (a selfless motive).

Maybe we need fewer fans who are all stuck on being 'right' all the time. Maybe if they would relax their e-cred drive and just go with the flow of being Tennessee Volunteers fans, they'd enjoy themselves more, and we'd all enjoy their company more.

That's just a thought.
Click to expand...
n/m
 
#209
#209
VFL-82-JP said:
hmm?
Click to expand...

you and boro are doing fine on your own, i already seconded his post a few posts back.

in merit, i agree with him on his notion that it's support of the program, not an individual.

and that we want all individuals associated with the program to succeed.:thumbsup:
 
#210
#210
VFL-82-JP said:
But I wasn't talking about the current coach. I was talking about the team, the program. Go back and check my first response to you, I'll give you a moment.

You say "rather be positive than right" as if you think that's an insult. To a fan, it's a great compliment. The insult would be to say a person would rather be right (a selfish motive) than be positive about the team (a selfless motive).

Maybe we need fewer fans who are all stuck on being 'right' all the time. Maybe if they would relax their e-cred drive and just go with the flow of being Tennessee Volunteers fans, they'd enjoy themselves more, and we'd all enjoy their company more.

That's just a thought.
Click to expand...

I appreciate your position and have no problem with it. You have every right to feel that way and express it. I disagree, and have the same right.

I don't get enjoyment from glossing over issues I see at the program I love. You'll never see me bashing players or the University in general. But the coaches and administration, professionals, are fair game....precisely because I love the University and the program(s) at the University.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#212
#212
'Boro-vol said:
I appreciate your position and have no problem with it. You have every right to feel that way and express it. I disagree, and have the same right.

I don't get enjoyment from glossing over issues I see at the program I love. You'll never see me bashing players or the University in general. But the coaches and administration, professionals, are fair game....precisely because I love the University and the program(s) at the University.
Click to expand...

Okay, fair enough. I do respect you as a Vols fan, and understand your perspective. We apparently come at life and football from different angles, but that's okay, takes all kinds.
 
#213
#213
VFL-82-JP said:
But I wasn't talking about the current coach. I was talking about the team, the program. Go back and check my first response to you, I'll give you a moment.

You say "rather be positive than right" as if you think that's an insult. To a fan, it's a great compliment. The insult would be to say a person would rather be right (a selfish motive) than be positive about the team (a selfless motive).

Maybe we need fewer fans who are all stuck on being 'right' all the time. Maybe if they would relax their e-cred drive and just go with the flow of being Tennessee Volunteers fans, they'd enjoy themselves more, and we'd all enjoy their company more.

That's just a thought.
Click to expand...

It isn't about being positive or negative; it is about developing an opinion based on evidence and reasonable conjecture. If you set out to be positive or negative to begin with then you are coming up with your conclusion first and then looking for evidence to support what you've already made up your mind about. It's bad logic, assuming you want to be logical about all of this (which not everyone does) :)

How about everybody just have an opinion and be able to back it up, positive or negative, and hope that when you are negative you are wrong and when you are positive you are right?

I am a big believer in tempered expectations, within reason. Positive surprises are much better than negative ones, needless to say. For example I thought 10-2 with an SEC title game berth was a reasonable expectation last year, but if we lost a 3rd game I wouldn't be stunned. We failed to meet even a tempered expectation, so I think you have to understand where a "negative" expectation is coming from next year, especially considering the schedule and who we lost to the draft.

Many on here and in the media had us as a playoff contender last year, the "feels like '98" shirts were out in full force early in the season, etc., and I just thought that was way too much. You set yourself up for disappointment and jumping on the "fire the coach" bandwagon if you expectations are missed, even if your expectations are too lofty to begin with.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#214
#214
VFL-82-JP said:
Okay, fair enough. I do respect you as a Vols fan, and understand your perspective. We apparently come at life and football from different angles, but that's okay, takes all kinds.
Click to expand...

I appreciate that, and ask nothing more.

Not sure what life has to do with it though.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#215
#215
jakez4ut said:
you and boro are doing fine on your own, i already seconded his post a few posts back.

in merit, i agree with him on his notion that it's support of the program, not an individual.

and that we want all individuals associated with the program to succeed.:thumbsup:
Click to expand...
Yep.

And while the situations were drastically different, it's what allows you to let go of a NC winning coach and a dud just the same if the time is right.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#219
#219
05_never_again said:
It isn't about being positive or negative; it is about developing an opinion based on evidence and reasonable conjecture. If you set out to be positive or negative to begin with then you are coming up with your conclusion first and then looking for evidence to support what you've already made up your mind about. It's bad logic, assuming you want to be logical about all of this (which not everyone does) :)
Click to expand...

See, as a fan I'm not into "developing an opinion." I did a lot of gathering facts, analyzing them, coming to conclusions, and then coming up with an appropriate course of action based on those conclusions when I was on active duty. That's work.

Football is, for me, about fun. It's about our lads and the color orange, and fall Saturdays on the banks of the Tennessee River in a stadium that Neyland built.

I don't want to have to think too hard about all that, and --since I'm not an administrator at UT--I don't have to. Leaving me free to be (wrongly or rightly) supportive and positive and happy, all the time, about our team. And yes, that includes our players, and our coaches, and our cheerleaders, and the groundskeepers, and the AD, and the folks who work for the AD, the whole kit and kaboodle. God bless em all, they're Vols!

That's the angle I come at it from. Takes a lot less work, and is a lot more fun. :)
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#224
#224
jakez4ut said:
you and boro are doing fine on your own, i already seconded his post a few posts back.

in merit, i agree with him on his notion that it's support of the program, not an individual.

and that we want all individuals associated with the program to succeed.:thumbsup:
Click to expand...

This is an area I just don't understand, and believe me I genuinely try.

When I go to or watch a game on TV, it's "Go Vols", I never say Go Butch. Everything in my soul is for the success of the Tennessee Volunteers. Because Butch is the Head coach of them, I feel it's just natural to support him. Its an insult to me to accuse me of being more loyal to Butch than the program, not that anyone is doing that in this thread.

I could be wrong, but I see one or two posters that go overboard with the Butch support, but I honestly don't think anyone is more loyal to Butch over the program.

I think some of it is reading and writing comprehension and Some of it semi-friendly trolling. If Im wrong, I don't know wtf it is.

It's just weird.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#225
#225
Beecher and Boro, you guys are really going to suck at this if we start bringing up Forrest Gump quotes, aren't you?

"What the hell do you mean, life is like a box of chocolates? It's NOTHING like a box of chocolates!"
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement



Back
Top