How well does Butch recruit?

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jakez4ut said:
it is early, and the #5 class ranking won't hold up to signing day. there's a few big movers out there....LSU, OSU, us, and a few others that have been making some real hay in the spring/summer.

it'll pick up for these other big time programs as we get later in the summer and the fall, and our ranking will probably drop. star rankings will change, for the good and bad, and in the end, if do wind up keeping this class together, and get a few more key guys to sign up, then this will be a very good class, and should be a top 10 class regardless when all is said and done.

even better, it's strong on the LOS, CB, RB, QB, and we still need a little work at WR, LB. and we're getting lion's share of the best talent in Tennessee. an absolute must for this cycle.

it's a great foundation to build the rest of the class from, and we have a group of kids that are really helping in keeping other prospects' minds on TN.

there's absolutely no reason not to be pretty happy with how this cycle is going right now.
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247 will do what they have to do to give Alabama a top 2, top 3 at the worst class as well. There is a pretty well-documented "Bama bump" on that site when a previously uncommitted kid who was a solid name all of a sudden becomes a "big time" 4 or perhaps even 5 star once they commit to or begin showing a lot of interest in Alabama. The actual rationale from the Alabama people on the site is that their coaching staff is so highly regarded that it warrants raising kids' star rankings when they commit there, but they apparently don't do that for kids committing to any other school.

Not that it matters, because they win with whoever they recruit anyway, but it happens.

Auburn people even complain that 247 lowers their commits' ranking after they commit, and have even given specific examples to me, but that sounds like excessive *****ing to me :)
 
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05_never_again said:
247 will do what they have to do to give Alabama a top 2, top 3 at the worst class as well. There is a pretty well-documented "Bama bump" on that site when a previously uncommitted kid who was a solid name all of a sudden becomes a "big time" 4 or perhaps even 5 star once they commit to or begin showing a lot of interest in Alabama. The actual rationale from the Alabama people on the site is that their coaching staff is so highly regarded that it warrants raising kids' star rankings when they commit there, but they apparently don't do that for kids committing to any other school.

Not that it matters, because they win with whoever they recruit anyway, but it happens.

Auburn people even complain that 247 lowers their commits' ranking after they commit, and have even given specific examples to me, but that sounds like excessive *****ing to me :)
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:eek:lol:
 
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jakez4ut said:
it's fluid, and #5 most likely won't hold. i agree, Bama and GA and a few other big names are all still in single digits, so it will move a lot over the next few months.

the 5* thing will probably move too. as will some of the 3*. Emerson may very well wind up a 5* when all is said and done, and there's a better than fair chance all three of the guys we got this past weekend will wind up 4* guys.

in the end, i don't really disagree, it's a verbal.

but, these guys could have committed to any of the schools they've gotten offers from, yet they chose to go on and pull the trigger now with Tennessee.

doesn't mean people will stop recruiting them. and doesn't mean we won't either.

it's a good thing.
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As the losses pile up, see where the ranking falls.

Fifth year-no more introductory hype/excitement.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yeah, agreed, MBRO, I'd add them, too. I mean, it could be other things, but you'd have to look at development as part of the question for sure.

Though on the flip side, someone developed Kirkland really fast into a solid "QB of the defense." That took a lot of training and development, esp. on the mental side, and did it fast. Dude was absolutely ready to take it on by his second year. And thank goodness, because we needed him.
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Completely agree. Kirkland and JRM both outstanding. Then we have guys like McDowell and Sapp who are very solid players when healthy. On the flip side there are guys like Bates and Bryant. Did all the recruiting services miss the boat on those guys? Do they maybe have the physical tools but can't grasp the mental part of the position? I expected both of those guys to be elite linebackers and they both seem to be in the bust category.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Like so much of what he does, his recruiting prowess is largely smoke and mirrors.

He had a good story to tell for the legacy class (that subsequently fell apart). He's largely fallen short since, and seems to have excessive attrition. Attribute that to whatever you want.
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Can always count on you and your hatred of all things Butch
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Completely agree. Kirkland and JRM both outstanding. Then we have guys like McDowell and Sapp who are very solid players when healthy. On the flip side there are guys like Bates and Bryant. Did all the recruiting services miss the boat on those guys? Do they maybe have the physical tools but can't grasp the mental part of the position? I expected both of those guys to be elite linebackers and they both seem to be in the bust category.
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Hopefully someday we'll get the true story on Bates, in particular. Really high expectations not to see much of him at all so far.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
It sounds like you're looking forward to seeing us lose games, troll.

Need to re-wrap yourself up in false fan-hood, your true colors are starting to show through again.
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Look at the previous four seasons.

At least my true color isn't yellow from pumping all of that sunshine!
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Completely agree. Kirkland and JRM both outstanding. Then we have guys like McDowell and Sapp who are very solid players when healthy. On the flip side there are guys like Bates and Bryant. Did all the recruiting services miss the boat on those guys? Do they maybe have the physical tools but can't grasp the mental part of the position? I expected both of those guys to be elite linebackers and they both seem to be in the bust category.
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we'll know fairly quickly on the LB's ...bitulli is another one that we hope we see take a step this fall. and even DKjr needs to regain his 2015 performance.

McDowell also has a chance to put a good foot forward, and i'm excited as well to see how Sapp comes back from the injury.

still questions at LB..... talent, believe so. production.....gotta have it.
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
Look at the previous four seasons.

At least my true color isn't yellow from pumping all of that sunshine!
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What are your true colors, IknoxvolsI? Blue and red-orange? Yanno, those colors the Gators wear that they call blue and orange but really look red and blue most of the time?

Come on, you can tell us, the jig is long up, we all know you're a troll from another school. Just a little curious about what school you really cheer for.
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
Look at the previous four seasons.

At least my true color isn't yellow from pumping all of that sunshine!
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No...not from that. :)
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JohnD13 said:
Can always count on you and your hatred of all things Butch
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Blah blah blah....this class is shaping up very well. I hope it continues, holds together until signing day, and doesn't suffer any of the previously experienced attrition.

Additionally, I hope Butch has every success this year on the field....if he does it bodes well for what I really care about, the program at my University. If he doesn't, I hope our new athletic director makes a can't miss replacement to take over the program so expertly rebuilt by Butch.

Either way...thanks Butch.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
It sounds like you're looking forward to seeing us lose games, troll.

Need to re-wrap yourself up in false fan-hood, your true colors are starting to show through again.
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Weird that you sat that. Earlier I was going to respond that he seemed disappointed we lost to Georgia and Florida, but I didn't want to "pile on".
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Blah blah blah....this class is shaping up very well. I hope it continues, holds together until signing day, and doesn't suffer any of the previously experienced attrition.

Additionally, I hope Butch has every success this year on the field....if he does it bodes well for what I really care about, the program at my University. If he doesn't, I hope our new athletic director makes a can't miss replacement to take over the program so expertly rebuilt by Butch.

Either way...thanks Butch.
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:thumbsup: you should put this post on your clipboard, permanently, and paste it at will. nicely done.
 
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jakez4ut said:
:thumbsup: you should put this post on your clipboard, permanently, and paste it at will. nicely done.
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Wouldn't matter. The Disciples of Butch won't read it anyway.

My die is cast here, and comfortable with it whichever way you fall on me.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Wouldn't matter. The Disciples of Butch won't read it anyway.

My die is cast here, and comfortable with it whichever way you fall on me.
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at the heart of the matter, it's only about ownership and accountability. good or bad, it's his program. hoping for good....:thumbsup:
 
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jakez4ut said:
at the heart of the matter, it's only about ownership and accountability. good or bad, it's his program. hoping for good....:thumbsup:
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I don't disagree buddy. Unfortunately for many that means ignoring the facts of the situation as well, and employing unwaiveringly positive groupthink.
 
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