How Stupid Is Governor Ron Desantis?

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lawgator1 said:
The proposed shift to a sales tax uniformly is just a way to shift taxes to the poor and middle class and away from the wealthiest.
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I have no problem where EVERYONE pays their so called 'fair share'. it would not take much of a tax to replace 40 billion
 
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I'll never understand the love of stupid tax ideas, but people sure love to talk about them.

Also, it takes 40 billion to replace 40 billion. Easy math on that one.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
I have no problem where EVERYONE pays their so called 'fair share'. it would not take much of a tax to replace 40 billion
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There are 50 billionaires living on Palm Beach. Is it "fair" for them to pay the same state taxes as someone living in a mobile home in the western part of the state and barely making a living doing farm work because they both have to buy groceries and gas for their cars ?
 
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lawgator1 said:
There are 50 billionaires living on Palm Beach. Is it "fair" for them to pay the same state taxes as someone living in a mobile home in the western part of the state and barely making a living doing farm work because they both have to buy groceries and gas for their cars ?
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Yes.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There are 50 billionaires living on Palm Beach. Is it "fair" for them to pay the same state taxes as someone living in a mobile home in the western part of the state and barely making a living doing farm work because they both have to buy groceries and gas for their cars ?
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It's your use of the term "fair" that gets you into trouble in these arguments. The poor person in the mobile home could very likely consume more government resources. Theoretically, they should actually pay more than someone that consumes less government resources.

Your liberal concern is that people that can afford to pay more of the burden should pay FAR more, even if they consumed almost no government resources.
 
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Firebirdparts said:
I'll never understand the love of stupid tax ideas, but people sure love to talk about them.

Also, it takes 40 billion to replace 40 billion. Easy math on that one.
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Yes. This argument boils down to trying to shift who pays that amount. The argument in favor of sales taxes is that Florida is s high tourism state, so a lot of those taxes would theoretically be shifted to people from other states and countries.
 
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Vol423 said:
Yes. This argument boils down to trying to shift who pays that amount. The argument in favor of sales taxes is tgat Florida is s high tourism state, so a lot of those taxes would theoretically be shifted to people from other states and countries.
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I'd love it if we charged new residents an impact tax, say, $5,000 to be paid over a period of a few years, to offset costs of growth, roads, etc.

Unfortunately, the Constitution prohibits that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There are 50 billionaires living on Palm Beach. Is it "fair" for them to pay the same state taxes as someone living in a mobile home in the western part of the state and barely making a living doing farm work because they both have to buy groceries and gas for their cars ?
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it's fair everyone pull their own weight.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'd love it if we charged new residents an impact tax, say, $5,000 to be paid over a period of a few years, to offset costs of growth, roads, etc.

Unfortunately, the Constitution prohibits that.
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Sounds you have an amazing Governor who has helped make Florida better.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There are 50 billionaires living on Palm Beach. Is it "fair" for them to pay the same state taxes as someone living in a mobile home in the western part of the state and barely making a living doing farm work because they both have to buy groceries and gas for their cars ?
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Same? lmao
 
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just bob said:
Same? lmao
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Certainly the billionaires consume more over the course of a year than the poor, but you are talking about an increase over the current 6 % sales tax, which represents an immediate, static, and significant hit to the poor and middle class.

Whereas, for someone with a $50 million mansion in Palm Beach, elimination of property taxes = an immediate $500,000 tax cut. That tax cut is multiples of the earnings of the poor residents to the West of Palm Beach.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Certainly the billionaires consume more over the course of a year than the poor, but you are talking about an increase over the current 6 % sales tax, which represents an immediate, static, and significant hit to the poor and middle class.

Whereas, for someone with a $50 million mansion in Palm Beach, elimination of property taxes = an immediate $500,000 tax cut. That tax cut is multiples of the earnings of the poor residents to the West of Palm Beach.
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A flat tax would be the same. Not a percent.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There are 50 billionaires living on Palm Beach. Is it "fair" for them to pay the same state taxes as someone living in a mobile home in the western part of the state and barely making a living doing farm work because they both have to buy groceries and gas for their cars ?
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Prove that it isn't.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Certainly the billionaires consume more over the course of a year than the poor, but you are talking about an increase over the current 6 % sales tax, which represents an immediate, static, and significant hit to the poor and middle class.

Whereas, for someone with a $50 million mansion in Palm Beach, elimination of property taxes = an immediate $500,000 tax cut. That tax cut is multiples of the earnings of the poor residents to the West of Palm Beach.
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It's my understanding that in FL property taxes go to the county and not the state to support schools and county infrastructure. I highly doubt those billionaires have kids going to the local public schools so they're getting hosed.
 
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hog88 said:
It's my understanding that in FL property taxes go to the county and not the state to support schools and county infrastructure. I highly doubt those billionaires have kids going to the local public schools so they're getting hosed.
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No offense, but this is the dumbest argument on taxes I ever encounter -- the notion that if you don't use a given tax-supported service then you should not be taxed in the amount that would have gone to it.

I didn't drive on I-95 this year, cut my taxes by the proportionate share for road improvements to I-95.

I did not fly out of Tampa this year. Cut my taxes by the proportionate share for construction of a new control tower there.

I did not go to downtown Orlando this year. Take the salaries of all of the cops that work downtown and figure out my share and refund that to me.


You get the point.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No offense, but this is the dumbest argument on taxes I ever encounter -- the notion that if you don't use a given tax-supported service then you should not be taxed in the amount that would have gone to it.

I didn't drive on I-95 this year, cut my taxes by the proportionate share for road improvements to I-95.

I did not fly out of Tampa this year. Cut my taxes by the proportionate share for construction of a new control tower there.

I did not go to downtown Orlando this year. Take the salaries of all of the cops that work downtown and figure out my share and refund that to me.


You get the point.
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It's a great argument to why property taxes are unfair and an abomination. I pay property taxes on a few properties, none of the properties have anyone using the county schools so I'm getting hosed. There are much better and fairer ways to collect taxes for schools than property taxes.
 
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hog88 said:
It's a great argument to why property taxes are unfair and an abomination. I pay property taxes on a few properties, none of the properties have anyone using the county schools so I'm getting hosed. There are much better and fairer ways to collect taxes for schools than property taxes.
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Once you start carving it up by tying tax liability only to specific usage that's where you go off in a never ending debate of who used what and how much.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Once you start carving it up by tying tax liability only to specific usage that's where you go off in a never ending debate of who used what and how much.
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I'm not proposing a carving up, I'm simply stating that property taxes are unfair and are 1a in worst, most punitive forms of taxation created. 1b is income taxes
 
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hog88 said:
I'm not proposing a carving up, I'm simply stating that property taxes are unfair and are 1a in worst, most punitive forms of taxation created. 1b is income taxes
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The wealthy want taxes based on consumption. We get it. We know why.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Certainly the billionaires consume more over the course of a year than the poor, but you are talking about an increase over the current 6 % sales tax, which represents an immediate, static, and significant hit to the poor and middle class.

Whereas, for someone with a $50 million mansion in Palm Beach, elimination of property taxes = an immediate $500,000 tax cut. That tax cut is multiples of the earnings of the poor residents to the West of Palm Beach.
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OK.

Can you show that it's immoral not to tax rich people with taxes that poor people don't pay, and tax them equally on what they each consume?
 
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