How many wins or Fahr CBJ

How many wins or Fahr CBJ

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#176
#176
chargervol said:
The accurate comparison is did Vandy fans think the win over UT was a good win. If all 6 of them agree yes, then UT fans should feel the same about beating the big name programs that we struggle with.

You will have to go back a page for the "derf bullion binoculars Lyle" remark.
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Not worth the effort. That's the best I can do it seems.

Carry on.
 
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#177
#177
I don't believe CBJ is going anywhere. We had 6 draft for the first time in a long long time. 9 win seasons not great, but not horrible either. Just don't lose to KY.
 
#178
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Behr said:
Yea, there was more there that I decided to delete and left that. Sometimes I get carried away. :)

Anyway, I understood your post about Vandy, I just didn't understand the "switch". You mad?

I kid. Haha.
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Funny story.

I used to work for a backhoe operator that's company name was "Jones" (Not his real name) and Son Backhoe Serivice.

He didn't have any kids, much less a "Son".
 
#179
#179
VolsnRavens said:
Anything but making the CFP is a firing offense, he's been here long enough

10-2 with a bowl loss and do not win the East is a firing offense.

10-2 with a bowl win but do not win the East is a firing offense

9-3 with a bowl win. Not fired but on the hot seat for many of the VN folks

8-4 with a bowl win Hot Seat from UT

Anything less than 8 wins.....He gone.
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You're insane. 10 wins get butch an extension. Period. 8 wins will warm his seat and that's about it, he's not going anywhere after this season.
 
#180
#180
Behr said:
So what you are saying is, you hope Butch wins every game, but unless he loses really bad you don't think he will be fired?
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#184
#184
If Butch wins 8 games plus a bowl, he will get a 5 yr extension I'm sure. The administration is straight up crackers (new AD wont affect that much). Especially considering the players we just lost to the draft and massive coaching changes (2 built in excuses to lose).

With that said, given the history and given the present I don't see the Vols escaping the season with less than 5 losses.
 
#185
#185
VFL-82-JP said:
If you gonna make a poll for VolNation, brother, you need to embrace the wide divergence of opinions that make up this community.

If your poll asks "fire him if he doesn't ________," you're going to need to go well below 8-4 regular season. Or you're just not giving an option that matches the opinions of some folks here. Perhaps a lot of folks here.

Be like saying, A Poll! How Many Days A Week Do You Commit Felonies?
-- 8
-- 7
-- 6
-- 5

Good luck straightening this one out.
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I'm not a big fan of polls. In my humble opinion, as far as a poll on this subject goes, it's not as bad as I initially thought. After looking at it again this morning and thinking about it, it covers it pretty well. There are endless scenarios that would require options that might go into triple digits.

He covered the hardcore Butch haters. I don't think even those few would want him fired for making the playoffs. And he covered the realistic possibilities in between.

Again, IMO it could have been a little better but it's not as bad as I first thought. I voted for the second option.
 
#186
#186
We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on that one, Behr. Plenty of folks here want Butch gone, no matter what. That's not a poll option. Plenty more recognize that, short of a disaster or scandal, his job is safe through 2018. That's not a poll option, either.

If you're going to leave a significant percentage of your audience's view points out of the poll entirely, it's simply not a good poll.

Not in my view, anyway. But nothing says we have to agree about this.
 
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#187
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VFL-82-JP said:
We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on that one, Behr. Plenty of folks here want Butch gone, no matter what. That's not a poll option. Plenty more recognize that, short of a disaster or scandal, his job is safe through 2018. That's not a poll option, either.

If you're going to leave a significant percentage of your audience's view points out of the poll entirely, it's simply not a good poll.

Not in my view, anyway. But nothing says we have to agree about this.
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When you say he's safe through 2018, do you mean the 2017-2018 season or the 2018-2019 season, JP? I don't see him getting a two-year pass. IMO, it's here's one, earn another. The question is how high will be the bar be this season to earn next season?
 
#188
#188
LA Vol said:
When you say he's safe through 2018, do you mean the 2017-2018 season or the 2018-2019 season, JP? I don't see him getting a two-year pass. IMO, it's here's one, earn another. The question is how high will be the bar be this season to earn next season?
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I honestly believe that for him to be fired at the end of the upcoming season, LA, he'd have to go 7-5 or worse. The 7-5 firing would be if Chip Kelly is eager to come to Knoxville, and we're taking the opportunity while it's there. The "worse" would be a firing without us knowing for sure who comes next.

So as long as he goes 8-4 or better, he is still the coach for this coming season (2017) and the next (2018).

And note, the Chip Kelly part is a modification of my viewpoint, courtesy of something Behr just posted in another thread. Before Behr brought up the possibility of Kelly standing in the wings, I'd have said if Butch goes 7-5 or better, he's still the coach through the 2018 season (this upcoming and one more).

That's what I meant by 2018. The next two seasons, not just one.
 
#189
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VFL-82-JP said:
We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on that one, Behr. Plenty of folks here want Butch gone, no matter what. That's not a poll option. Plenty more recognize that, short of a disaster or scandal, his job is safe through 2018. That's not a poll option, either.

If you're going to leave a significant percentage of your audience's view points out of the poll entirely, it's simply not a good poll.

Not in my view, anyway. But nothing says we have to agree about this.
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I don't think there are but a very few that would still want Butch fired if he actually made the playoffs, not enough to matter anyway.

That's what I Meant by too many scenarios to list. And I'm not looking at it as what I think would happen or what I think the AD would do. Just what I would do. Doesn't matter if I think he's safe with x amount of wins or scandals etc.

Anyway, it's really not worth discussing. I'm right and you're not.

Yes, I'm kidding.
 
#192
#192
New coaches, a new QB and I put a lot of emphasis on defensive struggles. Wish I had a better idea where we were going to be.

Even with all of our offensive mistakes the A&M game was right there. We even remotely stop them at any point in the game and that's a win.
South Carolina beat Vanderbilt by only scoring 13 points, we made Vandy's offense look all pro. We should have scored more in the second half, but once again, stop them with even a mediocre defense and we still win.

Alabama would have been a little closer but we still would have lost.

You guys will have to tell me about South Carolina, that's the one game I barely got to glimpse. But I'm going to guess they put up a lot more offensive yards against us then they did any other legitimate program during the year.


Wish the offense was more consistent, but I know that sometimes they're going to slip. Given the choice, I'd take a much-improved defense. Then I might have a clue what I expect to see this year.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I honestly believe that for him to be fired at the end of the upcoming season, LA, he'd have to go 7-5 or worse. The 7-5 firing would be if Chip Kelly is eager to come to Knoxville, and we're taking the opportunity while it's there. The "worse" would be a firing without us knowing for sure who comes next.

So as long as he goes 8-4 or better, he is still the coach for this coming season (2017) and the next (2018).

And note, the Chip Kelly part is a modification of my viewpoint, courtesy of something Behr just posted in another thread. Before Behr brought up the possibility of Kelly standing in the wings, I'd have said if Butch goes 7-5 or better, he's still the coach through the 2018 season (this upcoming and one more).

That's what I meant by 2018. The next two seasons, not just one.
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I agree that 7-5 could be the line in the sand. That won't set well with a lot of donors, though. It's hard to believe we're talking about the possibility of going 7-5 in Year 5... especially with the talent the coaches have brought in.
 
#195
#195
What importance does another meaningless bowl game win make? He could go 8-4 but if one of those losses is Vandy he should be fired IMO. I don't care about winning another weed eater bowl. That doesn't save his job. If he blows another chance at winning the east when he has it in hand, I think the boosters get mad and move him out
 
#196
#196
LA Vol said:
I agree that 7-5 could be the line in the sand. That won't set well with a lot of donors, though. It's hard to believe we're talking about the possibility of going 7-5 in Year 5... especially with the talent the coaches have brought in.
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And the talent that he has ran off as well. His attrition rate is pretty high
 
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#198
#198
bigdaddy said:
What importance does another meaningless bowl game win make? He could go 8-4 but if one of those losses is Vandy he should be fired IMO. I don't care about winning another weed eater bowl. That doesn't save his job. If he blows another chance at winning the east when he has it in hand, I think the boosters get mad and move him out
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Are you insane? Winning a bowl is just one of the many championships available throughout the year. Try to keep up.
 
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#199
#199
I'll set a low bar for year five. He needs to win at least 9 games ( regular season ), and win the east for me to have confidence in him again.
 
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