How many wins or Fahr CBJ

How many wins or Fahr CBJ

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#126
#126
MC, thanks for making clear to me that the NegaVols have established a new VolNation convention: if you say you expect (accept the reality) of anything less than 15-0, you have to include the qualifier that you do want championships or it will be assumed that you Accept Mediocrity.

So since the NegaVols have forced this new convention on the rest of us, I'd like to propose a convention back on them: every time they say they don't think Butch can win (a game, the division, a championship), they should also say that they would like Butch to win that game/division/championship, otherwise we get to assume they are closet Bama/Gator/Dawg/Vandy fans just here to troll.

Every time.

Every time for every time. It's only fair. Look at all those extra words you've made MC include. There gotta be some payback for that.

;)
 
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#127
#127
Its a ridiculous situation actually. Lets take out the fluff games that UT could win with no head coach. I have that as 6 games in 2017. 6 games they could win with no head coach. Its been this way for a while. That means they are paying 4 million plus for 2 or 3 wins and calling that a good season.
 
#129
#129
IPleadInsanity said:
Its a ridiculous situation actually. Lets take out the fluff games that UT could win with no head coach. I have that as 6 games in 2017. 6 games they could win with no head coach. Its been this way for a while. That means they are paying 4 million plus for 2 or 3 wins and calling that a good season.
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So the logical breakdown of your suggestion is pretty epic.

If you mean literally no one fulfilling any of the head coach's duties (no coordinator becoming HC temporarily), then the team will not function. Key decisions, both operational and administrative, simply will not be made. The offense and defense and special teams will fail to be meshed into a whole. Decisions on new scholarships will not be made. A whole host of representational functions will go unfilled. The media will have no one to ask questions of. The list of things a head coach does in the course of a month is seemingly endless. None of that would be done.

That's what it means to truly have no head coach, to take away without adding back in the form of temporary assignments.

It's basically a stupid idea.

Now, if you meant have one of the coordinators become the head coach for half the season, you no longer don't have a head coach, you just have two head coaches...one (the head coach) when the head coach is there and another (the coordinator as acting head coach) when the head coach is not there. If you want to do that for more than a single season, you're going to have to start paying that coordinator like a head coach part of the time, saving you nothing. Actually, probably costing you even more.

That doesn't sound too bright, either, and leads to a host of unity of command issues.

Finally, your idea could be interpreted as meaning we keep the head coach in place but only play the 6 most challenging games a year ("let's take out the fluff games") in the regular season. Bad idea. Would put us at a huge disadvantage relative to the other 127 teams in FBS. As an example: we'd have to win all six of our games just to become bowl eligible. We would never win the East, because our best possible SEC record would be 6-0...as was clarified last fall during the whole FL-LSU rescheduling debacle, you have to have 8 SEC games played to qualify for Atlanta. We would also never be invited to the national playoffs, not with just six games, even if we went 6-0 everyone is gonna talk about how easy our schedule is with 2 weeks between games.

So that's completely a non-starter as well.

So I'm sure in your head, this idea sounded like it had some merit. But it doesn't. Approximately zero merits earned.

You should've probably left it at just complaining about too many fluff games and left it at that, without your proposal for improvement. Folks always say, "don't complain without offering an idea on how to improve the situation," but really, you'd have been better of just complaining.

Go Vols!
 
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#130
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IPleadInsanity said:
Its a ridiculous situation actually. Lets take out the fluff games that UT could win with no head coach. I have that as 6 games in 2017. 6 games they could win with no head coach. Its been this way for a while. That means they are paying 4 million plus for 2 or 3 wins and calling that a good season.
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One of the dumbest things ive ever read.
 
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#132
#132
VFL-82-JP said:
MC, thanks for making clear to me that the NegaVols have established a new VolNation convention: if you say you expect (accept the reality) of anything less than 15-0, you have to include the qualifier that you do want championships or it will be assumed that you Accept Mediocrity.

So since the NegaVols have forced this new convention on the rest of us, I'd like to propose a convention back on them: every time they say they don't think Butch can win (a game, the division, a championship), they should also say that they would like Butch to win that game/division/championship, otherwise we get to assume they are closet Bama/Gator/Dawg/Vandy fans just here to troll.

Every time.

Every time for every time. It's only fair. Look at all those extra words you've made MC include. There gotta be some payback for that.

;)
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I second that motion by you. Let's carry it to a vote.lol
 
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#133
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VFL-82-JP said:
MC, thanks for making clear to me that the NegaVols have established a new VolNation convention: if you say you expect (accept the reality) of anything less than 15-0, you have to include the qualifier that you do want championships or it will be assumed that you Accept Mediocrity.

So since the NegaVols have forced this new convention on the rest of us, I'd like to propose a convention back on them: every time they say they don't think Butch can win (a game, the division, a championship), they should also say that they would like Butch to win that game/division/championship, otherwise we get to assume they are closet Bama/Gator/Dawg/Vandy fans just here to troll.

Every time.

Every time for every time. It's only fair. Look at all those extra words you've made MC include. There gotta be some payback for that.

;)
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Such a good post, thought about this the other day.
Everyone knows where the regular posters stand but I find myself adding "but I want" to almost every post.

Shame we can't just debate the points of contention without the "so what you are saying is". Get sick of reading that.
It's an automatic sign of debating with an ignorant a-hole or a kid.
 
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#134
#134
chargervol said:
Such a good post, thought about this the other day.
Everyone knows where the regular posters stand but I find myself adding "but I want" to almost every post.

Shame we can't just debate the points of contention without the "so what you are saying is". Get sick of reading that.
It's an automatic sign of debating with an ignorant a-hole or a kid.
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Just read two posts in another thread, both responding to the same ignor...I mean poster, that began with "what I am saying".

What I'm saying is, lol.
 
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#136
#136
Keep dreaming. 6 wins and Butch still gets another season. He will only be fired with repeated failure. Last season was a let down but not a failure
 
#137
#137
Funny how I never saw that many Jeeps until I bought one, then they were everywhere.

I noticed "What I'm saying", but now its errywhere. And so far they are responding to " negavols".
 
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#138
SayNoToJorts said:
Keep dreaming. 6 wins and Butch still gets another season. He will only be fired with repeated failure. Last season was a let down but not a failure
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A 2-6 SEC record in his fifth season would literally complete a bell curve of failure...:cray:

2-6
3-5
5-3
4-4
2-6

I don't see any coach at UT surviving that in the modern era of college football.
 
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#139
BeardedVol said:
A 2-6 SEC record in his fifth season would literally complete a bell curve of failure...:cray:

2-6
3-5
5-3
4-4
2-6

I don't see any coach at UT surviving that in the modern era of college football.
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You need to add, "but I hope he wins all 8 SEC games" to your post. New convention.
 
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#140
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BeardedVol said:
A 2-6 SEC record in his fifth season would literally complete a bell curve of failure...:cray:

2-6
3-5
5-3
4-4
2-6

I don't see any coach at UT surviving that in the modern era of college football.
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"A bell curve of failure" makes no sense considering there are values on the curve that are not considered failure. The only failure I see on that curve is the last 2-6 season. 9 wins (2016) is not a failure. Slice the data any way you wish. Just being realistic that he will need 2 seasons of 2-6 to be fired
 
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#141
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Behr said:
Funny how I never saw that many Jeeps until I bought one, then they were everywhere.

I noticed "What I'm saying", but now its errywhere. And so far they are responding to " negavols".
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Lol, true.
Whenever there's a real poll, a majority seem to be with Jones but have to see results - gotta add that now :) Yet, threads and Vol twitter are overrun with negativity and twisting of words. Overcompensating maybe?

Like if there are 3 negative posters in a thread at once, it's a guaranteed 3 likes per negative comment, doesn't even have to make sense.

"Derf bullion binoculars Lyle!"
3 likes lol.
 
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#142
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chargervol said:
Lol, true.
Whenever there's a real poll, a majority seem to be with Jones but have to see results - gotta add that now :) Yet, threads and Vol twitter are overrun with negativity and twisting of words. Overcompensating maybe?

Like if there are 3 negative posters in a thread at once, it's a guaranteed 3 likes per negative comment, doesn't even have to make sense.

"Derf bullion binoculars Lyle!"
3 likes lol.
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I'm actually belly laughing.

Blol.
 
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#143
#143
SayNoToJorts said:
"A bell curve of failure" makes no sense considering there are values on the curve that are not considered failure. The only failure I see on that curve is the last 2-6 season. 9 wins (2016) is not a failure. Slice the data any way you wish. Just being realistic that he will need 2 seasons of 2-6 to be fired
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CBJ won't be retained or fired based off his OOC wins and losses. Wins against the likes of UMass and Indiana State won't won't negate any SEC losses, especially in 2-6 scenario.
 
#144
#144
BeardedVol said:
CBJ won't be retained or fired based off his OOC wins and losses. Wins against the likes of UMass and Indiana State won't won't negate any SEC losses, especially in 2-6 scenario.
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I agree but it will take 2 years of that to get him fired. He literally just beat UGA (twice) and UF
 
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#145
#145
Butch isn't going anywhere unless the bottom drops out, scandal, losing out half the season, etc.

Don't care WHAT his record is this coming season, he'll be here next unless the creek exceeds its banks and sofa-coachin' volnation can gnash its teeth w/ indignation but ain't going to change the fact.
 
#146
#146
MaTaLa said:
Butch isn't going anywhere unless the bottom drops out, scandal, losing out half the season, etc.

Don't care WHAT his record is this coming season, he'll be here next unless the creek exceeds its banks and sofa-coachin' volnation can gnash its teeth w/ indignation but ain't going to change the fact.
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So what you are saying is, you hope Butch wins every game, but unless he loses really bad you don't think he will be fired?
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
I agree but it will take 2 years of that to get him fired. He literally just beat UGA (twice) and UF
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Would you consider any coach, not named Butch Jones,who had that sort of record over the same time period, a success in their conference?
 
#150
#150
terrypedigo said:
7 AND 5 OR 8 AND 4 the next 2 to 3 years and his job is safe he knows if he wins 8 and win the bowl over a over rated little 10 team his job is safe, 8 w ins will fill the seats and get the hype going for the next year and when you fill the seats the MONEY will come in and i hope you know its about the money not the fans as a fan of 49 years i know 1 thing the money is what its all about doesnt matter what we the fans think and the magic number for wins is 8.:thud:
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CMR thought the same at Georgia and look what happened to him.
 
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