HOW IS THIS LEGAL

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unfrozencvmanvol said:
C'mon man you can't think any of that compares to 8 million dollars can you? It'll get figured out, but unproven players getting seven figures while veterans get next to nothing is going to be a problem for every team having that dynamic. The problem is, unlike some of the much more modest perks you cite, some of these extravagant NIL deals for high school kids are going to be perceived by many teammates as unearned. Not that these issues can't be resolved or that they create fatal flaws but it's going to require clever management, which some coaches and players will doubtlessly be better at than others. As in other areas, hopefully our coaches and players are among those who handle it the best.
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What do you think happens after the NFL draft and the number 1 draft pick walks onto the field or into the locker room with a contract in hand or by that point in the bank worth 2-3x more than a lineman has made in his career. Same concept. Leave the money/politics/religion talk off the field and play football!! and don’t be that guy begrudging someone getting to eat.
 
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Volwonder1 said:
What do you think happens after the NFL draft and the number 1 draft pick walks onto the field or into the locker room with a contract in hand or by that point in the bank worth 2-3x more than a lineman has made in his career. Same concept. Leave the money/politics/religion talk off the field and play football!! and don’t be that guy begrudging someone getting to eat.
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I said nothing political or religion oriented. In any event, I am sure Heupel is not in denial that this is a situation which needs to be carefully managed, and he is the only one who matters.
 
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Something just rubs me the wrong way about others deciding how someone will be compensated especially when those others have no involvement in the money. Again you guys realize it’s not the university or funds from anything related to UT sports right? This is our NIL fund and separate corporate sponsors and quite frankly I’m surprised and encouraged that we have this kind of financial support after the last couple of decades.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I don’t think we were ever “behind” I do think there were a few factors working against us going all in at first.
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Spyre’s 1st idea of a budget was around $5 million per year. Then they decided that wasn’t enough and bumped it up to around $25 million. It looks like we caught up.
 
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guido4198 said:
Can a "Student Athlete" ( I'm ROTFLMAO when I type that archaic phrase btw.) who is receiving massive NIL money make a decision to pay his own way to the University and thereby free up a scholarship for someone else..??
Just asking.
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If a player is rated high enough to get an offer, they are “entitled” to a fat NIL deal too, based off their position. Spyre’s budget is $25mil a year everybody can’t get an $8mil deal, but they can get enough to to live better than non “student athletes”.
 
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guido4198 said:
Can a "Student Athlete" ( I'm ROTFLMAO when I type that archaic phrase btw.) who is receiving massive NIL money make a decision to pay his own way to the University and thereby free up a scholarship for someone else..??
Just asking.
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Why not? Allan Houston was a walk on but that didn't help his dad much
 
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If cost to play is $2M and CA is dumb enough to allow a HS player to earn it. On them. If my kid was in that arena, damn right itd be going to savings. He or she would learn how to manage it before they're 18.
 
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99gator said:
The one thing I will enjoy is watching various groups get upset because their group isn't receiving NIL deals the way another group is.
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There will be so many ‘isms charged we won’t be able to keep it straight.
 
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Meh…..I mean it’s all supply and demand right? You are worth(in terms of NIL $$$) what someone thinks you’re worth, what someone is willing to pay you.

Anyone who has played the game any length of time knows that certain positions are more visible and impactful to the outcome than others. No surprise they are valued more highly.
 
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guido4198 said:
Can a "Student Athlete" ( I'm ROTFLMAO when I type that archaic phrase btw.) who is receiving massive NIL money make a decision to pay his own way to the University and thereby free up a scholarship for someone else..??
Just asking.
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I don't see why not. That would invite NCAA "rule changes" about the game itself, obviously. They'd either address it or not. I had assumed the reason they restricted number of scholarships in the first place was their own brand of "team salary cap." Everybody except one team is always interested in parity. I'm not much interested in a bunch of jibber jabber about the ncaa, though. It's just not that thrilling.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
If cost to play is $2M and CA is dumb enough to allow a HS player to earn it. On them. If my kid was in that arena, damn right itd be going to savings. He or she would learn how to manage it before they're 18.
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Well, okay, but the people posting on this very board paid that $350k. So "them" is "us" FWIW. And happy to do it.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Five-star recruit signs $8 million NIL deal, largest for non-pro athlete

Not sure if everyone has seen this yet:
High school junior signs $8 million NIL deal. $350,000 sign on now and then $2 million per year each year he's in college. He can't sign a LOI for the college he's attending yet but he can sign an NIL deal for that school, so that in essence is paying for play now, I don't care how you spin it!

WTH???
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And he's gonna be a Vol...I like it! It's very legal actually.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Think so. Think most college football teams total somewhere around 100-105 total on their rosters. I think 105 are allowed by NCAA, could be wrong on that limit, it could be 125.
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Hmm...I don't recall seeing the News-Sentinel listing any more than 85 or so - I thought it was rather difficult to catch on as a walkon.
I guess the extras are practice squad?

Back in the day, there were 95 scholarships - I think it was a Big Ten rule that teams could take only 60 players for away games. Even for home games, the 61st-95th players were lucky to play at all - maybe for kickoffs and that was about it.
 
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Folks are forgetting these NIL deals are all two way streets - nothing is guaranteed.
I'm sure these things are LOADED with protections for the group, or company, initiating the deal...things like said recruiting having legal or moral issues likely cancels the deal, if the recruit waivers in commitment likely cancels the deal, etc.
IMO - that is a good thing for college football as it gets us back to guys committing, really committing, to a school and takes some of the transfer portal out of the equation.

Also, as others have eluded. Right now it's a novelty thing and a hot item. Once the market gets established, it will settle out to an average.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
No I’m not! I 100% understand NIL! How the %#}}] can a junior in High School get an NIL deal for $8 large?
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Kids like the Olsen twins had huge NIL deals when they were still in grammar school.

You're out of touch with what NIL is. It's money for being famous, not field performance.

Sure, it's being perverted to lure athletes to teams but I'm sure NIL deals for celebrities are perverted all the time to get someone to sign with an agent or studio.

Nothing is ever free. Athletes, celebrities, NOTHING.
 
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Honestly every kid will look at Tennessee differently from here on. They have to be in the conversation with every single recruit to at least see what they have to offer. Getting these elite kids on campus is half the battle in recruiting.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Kids like the Olsen twins had huge NIL deals when they were still in grammar school.

You're out of touch with what NIL is. It's money for being famous, not field performance.

Sure, it's being perverted to lure athletes to teams but I'm sure NIL deals for celebrities are perverted all the time to get someone to sign with an agent or studio.

Nothing is ever free. Athletes, celebrities, NOTHING.
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Preach! They're endorsement deals when it boils down. That's all. So many people can't wrap their head around that.
 
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woodpusher said:
Hmm...I don't recall seeing the News-Sentinel listing any more than 85 or so - I thought it was rather difficult to catch on as a walkon.
I guess the extras are practice squad?

Back in the day, there were 95 scholarships - I think it was a Big Ten rule that teams could take only 60 players for away games. Even for home games, the 61st-95th players were lucky to play at all - maybe for kickoffs and that was about it.
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Here's one example. Our roster from last fall:

2021 Football Roster - University of Tennessee Athletics

Has 117 players listed.*

There are always significantly more lads on the team than just the 85 scholarship athletes. Up to half again as many.

As for how many players can suit up for games, each conference has its own rules. I don't think the NCAA gets involved in that. I know for sure that we can have more players in uniform for non-conference games than we can for league games, whether home or away.



* I guess this means there is no 105-player NCAA limit on roster size. I don't know if there's a 125 limit or not.
 
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