HBO's "Game of Thrones"

[JohnMarxism]

Incredible use of music and silence to add to an already amazing episode. Battle of the Bastards and Winds of Winter combined is better than any movie that will release this year. Cannot wait to see what they do with the remaining 13 episodes over the last two seasons.

 

[ToineMac]

(Note: I only made it through vol. 1 of the book, so no particular basis for this belief)

The Starks will need Dany's dragons against the wights or waights or whatever they call the zombie army, because only fire can stop them permanently.

btw, why did GRRM make all three dragons boy dragons? Gonna be tough to maintain martial superiority without a source of spares.

I don't know this for certain but the dragons can change from male to female as needed I think.

 

[SWIL]

With all her children now pushing daisies, Cersei now has the capacity to be even more ruthless that Ramsey was.... heads are gonna roll in season 7.

Anyone notice how "tywin-like" she looked and acted in the finale?

I wish the show had taken more time to explore Cersei's encounter with the witch and the resulting curse/prophecy...

 

[mrorange211]

not even 24 hours ago, we witnessed her massacre a large number of people (including the queen/wife of her child) so she could get out of being (possibly) found guilty of crimes and accusations she knowingly IS guilty of in the first place.

yep, that was surely all done solely for the benefit of Tommen.

That was for the benefit of her family because she knows what it takes to be on top at King's Landing. Tommen's "holiness" experiment had to end, and she was willing to blow up an entire ****ing city to achieve glory for herself and son. IMO, that's is one of the most bada$$ things any character on this show has ever done.

She took a gamble on the suicide, I admit, one that she ultimately lost. But from a Cersei perspective, that's a gamble worth taking because she knows her fate, unlike others in the series. I think she was holding out hope that Tommen would see the explosion and destruction of the Sept as a necessary event for the expansion of their family's power and to break the hold of the Sparrow in KL, but in reality she also knew his death was on the table. She was still willing to gamble her son's life because she held out hope that the fortune was wrong. This is the tunring point for Cersei. Until this point she never would have considered gambling Tommen's life, but as Tyrion said in the episode, "The great game is terrifying" and Cersei displays the selfishness/fortitude/boldness/cowardice (depending on your perspective) to get what she wants. That's the entire point of the entire series. Who is best at getting wht they want? How does power drive them to do so. Cersei made the ultimate sacrifice for that power and thus illustrates the entire point GRRM makes throughout the series.

Jaime cares about one thing: Cersei. He said it himself. This episode, however, revealed the lust of Cersei's true heart above all else: power. This episode was so great for Cersei because it fundamentally changed who the character is and will be in the future.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Meh. He just seems like such a minor player in this. Guy gets introduced out of nowhere (for show viewers), claims lordship over a house that is divided in strength and power (half of which will be fighting against him), and is now supposed to be a legitimate threat to Dany, who has been building her power over 6 seasons.

Yeah..he SEEMs that way. Except he is supposed to have a magic horn that supposedly controls dragons that he went looking for and found in the Smoking Sea.

 

[WarDamnVols]

That was for the benefit of her family because she knows what it takes to be on top at King's Landing. Tommen's "holiness" experiment had to end, and she was willing to blow up an entire ****ing city to achieve glory for herself and son. IMO, that's is one of the most bada$$ things any character on this show has ever done.

She took a gamble on the suicide, I admit, one that she ultimately lost. But from a Cersei perspective, that's a gamble worth taking because she knows her fate, unlike others in the series. I think she was holding out hope that Tommen would see the explosion and destruction of the Sept as a necessary event for the expansion of their family's power and to break the hold of the Sparrow in KL, but in reality she also knew his death was on the table. She was still willing to gamble her son's life because she held out hope that the fortune was wrong. This is the tunring point for Cersei. Until this point she never would have considered gambling Tommen's life, but as Tyrion said in the episode, "The great game is terrifying" and Cersei displays the selfishness/fortitude/boldness/cowardice (depending on your perspective) to get what she wants. That's the entire point of the entire series. Who is best at getting wht they want? How does power drive them to do so. Cersei made the ultimate sacrifice for that power and thus illustrates the entire point GRRM makes throughout the series.

Jaime cares about one thing: Cersei. He said it himself. This episode, however, revealed the lust of Cersei's true heart above all else: power. This episode was so great for Cersei because it fundamentally changed who the character is and will be in the future.

it was mainly for her own benefit bud. she can mask it any way she wants, but that was primarily to save her own neck. and to an extent, yes, it was also for her "family," but the term "family" includes herself too. she's trying to keep her family in the main position of power, cause SHE gets to keep a position in power for herself. you really think she did that to achieve glory for herself and her son? there was nothing glorifying about that. she just accomplished part of what the Mad effin King's had planned to do.

and yet, you are acting like this excuses her from the horrible things she does? she's a great, entertaining character, but she is by no means a hero or character to cheer for. she is just as much an antagonist as Joffery or Ramsay ever were.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

That was for the benefit of her family because she knows what it takes to be on top at King's Landing. Tommen's "holiness" experiment had to end, and she was willing to blow up an entire ****ing city to achieve glory for herself and son. IMO, that's is one of the most bada$$ things any character on this show has ever done.

She took a gamble on the suicide, I admit, one that she ultimately lost. But from a Cersei perspective, that's a gamble worth taking because she knows her fate, unlike others in the series. I think she was holding out hope that Tommen would see the explosion and destruction of the Sept as a necessary event for the expansion of their family's power and to break the hold of the Sparrow in KL, but in reality she also knew his death was on the table. She was still willing to gamble her son's life because she held out hope that the fortune was wrong. This is the tunring point for Cersei. Until this point she never would have considered gambling Tommen's life, but as Tyrion said in the episode, "The great game is terrifying" and Cersei displays the selfishness/fortitude/boldness/cowardice (depending on your perspective) to get what she wants. That's the entire point of the entire series. Who is best at getting wht they want? How does power drive them to do so. Cersei made the ultimate sacrifice for that power and thus illustrates the entire point GRRM makes throughout the series.

Jaime cares about one thing: Cersei. He said it himself. This episode, however, revealed the lust of Cersei's true heart above all else: power. This episode was so great for Cersei because it fundamentally changed who the character is and will be in the future.

You have to be a sociopath to approve of this evil curse word curse word. I hope she dies a slow horrible painful death.

 

[mrorange211]

and yet, you are acting like this excuses her from the horrible things she does? she's a great, entertaining character, but she is by no means a hero or character to cheer for. she is just as much an antagonist as Joffery or Ramsay ever were.

I'm not trying to make excuses for her behavior. I'm trying to explain that her behavior is what makes her the best at playing the game. And that's the point. It's a matter of perspective, though. To some she is evil, you for example, and but to others she is incredibly courageous, like me.

Walter White sacrificed his family. People cheered for his character.

 

[butchna]

So either Bran or Howland will have to come into play in making it known who Jon is. Or maybe he just mounts a dragon. Or maybe it's never known to the general populace.

Assuming it does become known, who has the greater claim, Ned's daughter or his nephew?

Ned was The Hand of the King. There was no King of the North jive until Robb assumed it. The Iron Throne would be a Dany/Jon quandary.

 

[Toujours Pret]

The fact that so many people hate Cersei is a testament to the writing of the show and Lena Headey's portrayal. She's easily one of the best characters in the show.

Yes, she's a delightfully awful person.

 

[WarDamnVols]

I'm not trying to make excuses for her behavior.

that's exactly what you're doing.

I'm trying to explain that her behavior is what makes her the best at playing the game. And that's the point.

no, that's not the point. we're not discussing how good she is at playing the game of thrones. we're discussing if she is/what she does makes her a likable character to root for.

quite honestly, before last night, Cersei was actually pretty terrible at playing the game. reading the books, she's actually quite stupid and full of herself. everything she tries to do, ends up blowing up in her face. of course, that could very well change in the next book given what we saw last night.

It's a matter of perspective, though. To some she is evil, you for example, and but to others she is incredibly courageous, like me.

she IS bad. this really shouldn't be a matter of perspective at all. ESPECIALLY after last night.

Walter White sacrificed his family. People cheered for his character.

to Walter's credit, his initial reasoning for getting into the drug industry was at least completely selfless. That was not the same for Cersei. No matter what, Cersei is trying to get something she wants for herself. Walt was going to die and the money would be completely useless to him.

and then of course, the more the show progressed, the more despicable, vile, and corrupt Walter became. I will admit that myself and most people don't consider him quite as despicable as Cersei, but I'm pretty sure most people (including myself) weren't necessarily "cheering him on" constantly. surely, not towards the end. Walt was a great character,

Spoiler

but he deserved everything he got towards the end, and at least had some decency to change and redeem himself right beforehand.

highly doubt Cersei will do that. She will die like the villain she is.

 

[SWIL]

#valyriansteelballs

 

[Aesius]

Yeah..he SEEMs that way. Except he is supposed to have a magic horn that supposedly controls dragons that he went looking for and found in the Smoking Sea.

They really gonna go that route? Again, Dany has spent the entire show slowly taming her dragons, which only she, a Targaryen, can do. Now she has complete control over them and is finally in position to grab the Iron Throne, and some dude with a horn is going to usurp control over them and use them against her?

 

[dduncan4163]

Who else lost it when Daenerys names Tyrion her hand? I'm not ashamed to admit I teared up.

 

[dduncan4163]

I can only imagine Jamie is going to be more than a little pi**ed when he meets up with Cersi. Hell is killed The Mad King for wanting to do the very thing she did.

 

[dduncan4163]

I feel bad for Olenna also. She unknownly gave Cersi the idea to blow them all up

Olenna mocked Cersi and told her she didn't have any friends left. She also said what are you going to do Cersi kill tham all yourself?

Cersi YUP lol

 

[dduncan4163]

I can only imagine how unhinged Cersi will be now. All of her children are dead and her misery will have no bounds. I believe in the end Jamie will have to kill her, and that will end him.

 

[dduncan4163]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRTP9SUkHl8[/youtube]

 

[dduncan4163]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bm8ewYNEJQ[/youtube]

This will go down as a top 3 favorite GOT moment for me. It had me tearing up and almost balling. Tyrion's reaction to being named Queens Hand is some of the best acting I've ever seen.

 

[UTCVol]

They really gonna go that route? Again, Dany has spent the entire show slowly taming her dragons, which only she, a Targaryen, can do. Now she has complete control over them and is finally in position to grab the Iron Throne, and some dude with a horn is going to usurp control over them and use them against her?

What exactly is supposed to counter Dany and her massive military force otherwise? The friendless Lannisters? Dany's control over the other two dragons didn't really feel earned at all. One day they're chained up and then suddenly she's mind controlling them and they obey without question. Having her roll over everyone with all three dragons is too neat and boring. Take one of them out of the equation and things get interesting.

They had to introduce Euron for some reason, and he seems like a remaining obstacle for Dany, even moreso since Theon and Yara are with her. I don't know if it'll be the horn, but given the book plot it's not a bad guess.

 

[JL 103]

Jaime vs. Zombie Mountain will be awesome.

It's still Cleganebowl I want. What is hype may never die

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

They really gonna go that route? Again, Dany has spent the entire show slowly taming her dragons, which only she, a Targaryen, can do. Now she has complete control over them and is finally in position to grab the Iron Throne, and some dude with a horn is going to usurp control over them and use them against her?

Then what's the point of sending Theon and Yara to her? Why involve the Iron Islands at all, in any more of the story? Who or what, other than distance or weather is going to even slow Dany down. What kind of bore is that? Just watching Dany slowly march from Dorne to Kings landing? No opposition at all from anybody till Kings landing? You really think that giant borefest is going to be the direction they go? Euron is the wildcard IMO. He is the only one who can slow Dany down at all. With a horn to control or neutralize the dragons he can cause major havoc at sea, where the Ironborn excel. The last two episodes were just too triumphant for the good guys to me. Like a giant GoT set you up, just to kick you right in the gonads. It's what they do. It is just a theory though. Who knows?

 

[RikidyBones]

It's still Cleganebowl I want. What is hype may never die

I said this to a client today. "What is hype may never die"

 

[mrorange211]

that's exactly what you're doing.



no, that's not the point. we're not discussing how good she is at playing the game of thrones. we're discussing if she is/what she does makes her a likable character to root for.

quite honestly, before last night, Cersei was actually pretty terrible at playing the game. reading the books, she's actually quite stupid and full of herself. everything she tries to do, ends up blowing up in her face. of course, that could very well change in the next book given what we saw last night.



she IS bad. this really shouldn't be a matter of perspective at all. ESPECIALLY after last night.



to Walter's credit, his initial reasoning for getting into the drug industry was at least completely selfless. That was not the same for Cersei. No matter what, Cersei is trying to get something she wants for herself. Walt was going to die and the money would be completely useless to him.

and then of course, the more the show progressed, the more despicable, vile, and corrupt Walter became. I will admit that myself and most people don't consider him quite as despicable as Cersei, but I'm pretty sure most people (including myself) weren't necessarily "cheering him on" constantly. surely, not towards the end. Walt was a great character,

Spoiler

but he deserved everything he got towards the end, and at least had some decency to change and redeem himself right beforehand.

highly doubt Cersei will do that. She will die like the villain she is.

I'm really not. Just trying to give my perspective of why she's the best GOT universe. Just shows how good of a show that it is when there are so many differing opinions. Kinda what separates it from the pretenders like TWD, imo.

And to your point about Cersei playing the game stupidly, that may be the case in some cases, but I would also argue that the deck has been stacked against her as well simply because she is a woman of power in Westeros. I respect her for going after she wants, all else be damned. You don't. It's cool. Think about it though. 10 episodes ago Cersei was paraded through the streets completely naked and was the laughing stock of KL. Now she rules that ***** because she refused to be the victim and took her destiny in her own hands. I like that kind of self-determination.

Also, no Walter White's last season, especially the last two episodes, do not redeem him for me in any way. If you are gonna go the criminal route, go out guns a blazin Tony Montana style. I hated the self-reflection apology BS that accompanied White in those episodes. Perhaps that's what draws me to Cersei especially after the last episode: **** the world, I'm gonna get mine. I can respect that a lot more than some characters that exist with one foot in virtue and the other in selfishness.

Yeah..he SEEMs that way. Except he is supposed to have a magic horn that supposedly controls dragons that he went looking for and found in the Smoking Sea.

Also, and I know someone will call me out for being an ******* for this but still. I enjoy posting here, specifically in this thread because I like reading everyone's OPINIONS about what is going to happen on GOT> But when people bring facts from the books into the thread and interweave those with their opinions it becomes problematic. I really wish I had not read the post above---I would have rather not known that information. Please use the spoiler tags.

 

[Aesius]

Then what's the point of sending Theon and Yara to her? Why involve the Iron Islands at all, in any more of the story? Who or what, other than distance or weather is going to even slow Dany down. What kind of bore is that? Just watching Dany slowly march from Dorne to Kings landing? No opposition at all from anybody till Kings landing? You really think that giant borefest is going to be the direction they go? Euron is the wildcard IMO. He is the only one who can slow Dany down at all. With a horn to control or neutralize the dragons he can cause major havoc at sea, where the Ironborn excel. The last two episodes were just too triumphant for the good guys to me. Like a giant GoT set you up, just to kick you right in the gonads. It's what they do. It is just a theory though. Who knows?

The horn hasn't even been established in the show. Seems very deus ex machina at this point to me. Especially in the hands of a character who has been in the show for a grand total of about 10 minutes.

I don't see why Dany sailing on King's Landing and pillaging the place is boring. The show has literally been setting up that point for 6 seasons. Obviously she will meet resistance from Euron at some point, but is he really going to be a compelling villain? I think people are ready to see her in Westeros. A pitstop in Dorne and a drawn out conflict with Euron will be agonizing in S7. Who cares about him? He has half an army. It will also feel lame to see him suddenly control the dragons. Then Dany will have to regain control of them AGAIN, or kill them...and in that case--what was the point of that entire storyline?