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LotteryPick said:
Well, Aemon burned, and I'm pretty sure someone in the Targaryen family died by fire.
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VolFan32 said:
Yes.

If Jon is the "rightful" heir then maybe he won't burn
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^ What that guy said. I wasn't trying to imply that it was a given, just that it seemed like it also wasn't out of the realm of possibility.

Then again, (also assuming the speculation about his family tree is accurate) given his blood lines, it's possible he could've ghosted out of there in a completely different manner and the discussion about fire might be moot.
 
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#2,830
I just know it's a big misconception that Targaryen's are immune to fire, so that's why I said that.

I have my own theory about what happens to Snow and I don't think they get a chance to burn him.
 
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NochNoch said:
Why is that? Or, I guess a better question is, do we have any clues that point to showing us that?
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Martin has said that Dany in the funeral pyre was a miraculous, one-time only event. I'm of the opinion that it was because of some sort of protective magic the witch used in there.

Targaryens are resistant to fire, though. In the show Dany appears to be highly resistant or even immune, but who knows about the others. Viserys definitely wasn't. There's also speculation that Starks are resistant to cold in the same manner.
 
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One thing I thought about is Snow's death does release him from his NW vows, which was the chief reason keeping him from becoming the leader of the North. When he comes back, he won;t have that vow any longer.
 
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Something else really cool: Jon was the 998th Lord Commander. It's pretty safe to assume that Thorne will be the next LC in the show, and maybe someone else in the book. Either Martin is screwing with us (totally plausible) or there's something highly significant about the 1000th. I bet it will either be resurrected Jon or Stannis.
 
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UTCVol said:
Martin has said that Dany in the funeral pyre was a miraculous, one-time only event. I'm of the opinion that it was because of some sort of protective magic the witch used in there.
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I've read those quotes from Martin, and I've even read there is a passage in the books where Dany actually is burned on her hand at some point so it points to the validity of the one-time event for her. I just didn't know if that meant it was a one-time event for her or for the entire world/family.

UTCVol said:
Targaryens are resistant to fire, though. In the show Dany appears to be highly resistant or even immune, but who knows about the others. Viserys definitely wasn't. There's also speculation that Starks are resistant to cold in the same manner.
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There are plenty of examples of the Targaryen family not being fire resistant but, in regards to Viserys in particular, did he really die of fire? I know Dany said that he wasn't a dragon because a true dragon can't be killed by fire, or something along those lines, but I always thought that was somewhat strange because he didn't exactly go up in flames. I remember there being plenty of smoke but (because I thought the family was all part dragon at that point in the show) I actually remember watching it and thinking that his skull was crushed by the gold as it solidified. I especially remember him falling forward and the gold hitting the ground with a thud to emphasize the weight, or so I thought. Probably just an example of me way over thinking it though.
 
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UTCVol said:
Something else really cool: Jon was the 998th Lord Commander. It's pretty safe to assume that Thorne will be the next LC in the show, and maybe someone else in the book. Either Martin is screwing with us (totally plausible) or there's something highly significant about the 1000th. I bet it will either be resurrected Jon or Stannis.
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I'm with you. I think it will be Stannis.
 
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgaI2duatzk[/youtube]

I think this guys sums it up very well. Be careful for a book spoiler
 
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NochNoch said:
I've read those quotes from Martin, and I've even read there is a passage in the books where Dany actually is burned on her hand at some point so it points to the validity of the one-time event for her. I just didn't know if that meant it was a one-time event for her or for the entire world/family.



There are plenty of examples of the Targaryen family not being fire resistant but, in regards to Viserys in particular, did he really die of fire? I know Dany said that he wasn't a dragon because a true dragon can't be killed by fire, or something along those lines, but I always thought that was somewhat strange because he didn't exactly go up in flames. I remember there being plenty of smoke but (because I thought the family was all part dragon at that point in the show) I actually remember watching it and thinking that his skull was crushed by the gold as it solidified. I especially remember him falling forward and the gold hitting the ground with a thud to emphasize the weight, or so I thought. Probably just an example of me way over thinking it though.
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Definitely a valid interpretation, but wasn't he still completely scalded? It's been a while since I watched that episode.

It's very possible that show Dany is immune to fire. They missed a chance to verify it in episode 9, though. In the book pit scene, Drogon's fire/breath gives her some fairly substantial blisters while she is trying to tame him (they do heal relatively quickly), but it didn't really happen in the show. Her hair is burned away in both the pit and the funeral pyre, though. The scene in the House of the Undying definitely supported that theory, though.

As far as additional Targaryens, Dany's great-grandfather and his son were killed in a fire that burned their luxury palace to the ground, supposedly in an attempt to bring back dragons to the world.
 
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Through_The_T said:
Put spoiler tags in if you need to, but what makes us think Jon has Warg abilities, just a theory, or is it hinted at?
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In the book, all the Stark children are wargs. Bran is of course the most powerful. Jon and Arya frequently have "wolf dreams", where they live in their wolf's body - Arya wargs into Nymeria while she's in Braavos, even. Rickon and Robb aren't POV characters, but it's highly suggested they are wargs as well (for example, Robb stares vaguely into space for hours in his command room). Sansa could have been, but we'll never know. I think it's a book/show difference intended to make Bran seem more important.
 
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UTCVol said:
In the book, all the Stark children are wargs. Bran is of course the most powerful. Jon and Arya frequently have "wolf dreams", where they live in their wolf's body - Arya wargs into Nymeria while she's in Braavos, even. Rickon and Robb aren't POV characters, but it's highly suggested they are wargs as well (for example, Robb stares vaguely into space for hours in his command room). Sansa could have been, but we'll never know. I think it's a book/show difference intended to make Bran seem more important.
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Interesting, but so far in the show, that isn't portrayed. Will be very intriguing if that's the case. Thanks for the synopsis. :good!:
 
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VolFan32 said:
Has anyone thought that the Nights Watch tries to burn Snow, and if the theory of his parentage is true, he doesn't burn?
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So about that...

does anybody else think it's equally likely that Snow's Dad is Robert B? He loved Ned's sister. Ned adopts Jon to hide his sister's shame.
 
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n_huffhines said:
So about that...

does anybody else think it's equally likely that Snow's Dad is Robert B? He loved Ned's sister. Ned adopts Jon to hide his sister's shame.
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I think it's as likely as any other possibility. I actually believe what the story has confirmed for us so far. Ned Stark is Jon's dad. I think his connection or prewarging with Ghost is evidence of that.
 
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ToineMac said:
I think it's as likely as any other possibility. I actually believe what the story has confirmed for us so far. Ned Stark is Jon's dad. I think his connection or prewarging with Ghost is evidence of that.
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I feel like there's too much evidence backing up Ned living that lie.
 
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