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ToineMac said:
I think it's as likely as any other possibility. I actually believe what the story has confirmed for us so far. Ned Stark is Jon's dad. I think his connection or prewarging with Ghost is evidence of that.
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Well he'd be his sisters son so the blood is still there.
 
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LotteryPick said:
I feel like there's too much evidence backing up Ned living that lie.
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What some call evidence I call conjecture based on two character events that the author called unreliable sources guided by a need to turn everybody's favorite character into Jesus.
 
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Predicting Thoros of Mir returns next season with the resurrected headless Ned Stark and Hot Pie as their minstrel.
 
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ToineMac said:
What some call evidence I call conjecture based on two character events that the author called unreliable sources guided by a need to turn everybody's favorite character into Jesus.
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First off, it started from the books. Therefore, Jon Snow isn't even the best character in the nights watch. Its Dolorous Edd. :)
 
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ToineMac said:
I think it's as likely as any other possibility. I actually believe what the story has confirmed for us so far. Ned Stark is Jon's dad. I think his connection or prewarging with Ghost is evidence of that.
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I'm really not 100% confident of anything with this story but even if Ned isn't his father and the prevailing theory of who his parents are is true, wouldn't he still have the warging ability in his blood?
 
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ToineMac said:
What some call evidence I call conjecture based on two character events that the author called unreliable sources guided by a need to turn everybody's favorite character into Jesus.
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How is it conjecture? I haven't read the books, I've just watched the theory videos and stuff, so I don't really know.
 
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LotteryPick said:
How is it conjecture? I haven't read the books, I've just watched the theory videos and stuff, so I don't really know.
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Since you have seen the videos you know that there are two passages from the books that most of this theory is based on. Ned's dream after his confrontation with Jaime Lannister in Game of Thrones and Dany's vision in the house of the Undying in A Clash of Kings. Almost every piece of evidence you find is gonna tie back into one of those two. A fact that people like to ignore is it quite possible, really more than likely they are both hallucinating. Ned's being fed milk of the poppy constantly as he recovers from his injury. Daenerys had a glass of shade of the evening when she arrived. Shade of the evening allows the warlocks to have "visions of truth". So he is constantly downing cups of heroin and she just had a big glass of acid. I recognize it is entirely possible that all the information gleaned from these events could be true. I'm just not convinced.

NochNoch said:
I'm really not 100% confident of anything with this story but even if Ned isn't his father and the prevailing theory of who his parents are is true, wouldn't he still have the warging ability in his blood?
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This is a fair point. But right now the only Starks that have the wolf warging are officially considered to be Ned's kids. It does stand to reason that his siblings' kids could have it too. We just have none to compare it to.
I would also like to point out that all the wolves are siblings and Jon's was the outlier of the siblings. The other wolves were dark colored. Ghost is white. Ghost was also a runt. He is cast aside from the rest. Essentially the bastard of the pack.
 
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UTCVol said:
One issue I have with the show's version of Jon's death: where is Ghost?
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Was thinking the same thing after the episode but was listening to a podcast yesterday and one of the guys mentioned a scene from earlier in the season where they showed Ghost being in some kennel type thing because no one was comfortable with him roaming around all the time. He assumed that was probably why he wasn't there.

Seems like a plausible enough explanation but, if that was the case, then it was poor storytelling to not have a shot of him in there to explain it.
 
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NochNoch said:
Was thinking the same thing after the episode but was listening to a podcast yesterday and one of the guys mentioned a scene from earlier in the season where they showed Ghost being in some kennel type thing because no one was comfortable with him roaming around all the time. He assumed that was probably why he wasn't there.

Seems like a plausible enough explanation but, if that was the case, then it was poor storytelling to not have a shot of him in there to explain it.
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I remember Sam releasing him from a kennel during the battle with the wildlings. He was somehow able to rescue Sam and Gilly from the rapists, though (when Jon wasn't even there).

Probably CGI limitations or something.
 
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UTCVol said:
I remember Sam releasing him from a kennel during the battle with the wildlings. He was somehow able to rescue Sam and Gilly from the rapists, though (when Jon wasn't even there).

Probably CGI limitations or something.
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Probably right.
 
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mrorange211 said:
Yeah, it kinda does.
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Olly isn't even IN the books. So no, it doesn't even kinda happen. Yes, he leads Jon to die in the show as a plot device
since Jon doesn't run to abandon Castle Black (the reason in the books he is killed and all)
but they are foreshadowing for a character who isn't even in one of the mediums. Can't really call that anything.

The only similarities with the books are "For the Watch" and the ambiguity of his death, which has been actually minimized in the show with all the blood being shown.
 
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spoiler: why they did it...

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UTCVol said:
I remember Sam releasing him from a kennel during the battle with the wildlings. He was somehow able to rescue Sam and Gilly from the rapists, though (when Jon wasn't even there).

Probably CGI limitations or something.
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It's explained multiple times in the books that nobody likes Ghost walking around so he's kept locked up. Also, there are a few more women/children at Castle Black, so this has more reason there. Showrunners could've explained it at the least.
 
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things that happened in the book, that happened in the show.

stannis goes to take over winterfell. it doesn't end the same way though.

tyrion is sold as a slave to get to meereen. again, not the same but happens in the book.

while going to meereen, tyrion gets attacked by the stone people and one of the crew is effected by greyscale.

arya sells oysters on the docks. and, kills the wrong person.

jon snow is elected as lord commander. he then allows the wildings to come through the wall. and last, jon is stabbed by his own men.

aemon targaryen dies and sam goes to oldtown to become a maester.

daenerys flies off on drogon and is brought back to the dothraki sea.


if ive missed anything, post it.
 
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loggervol said:
things that happened in the book, that happened in the show.

stannis goes to take over winterfell. it doesn't end the same way though.

tyrion is sold as a slave to get to meereen. again, not the same but happens in the book.

while going to meereen, tyrion gets attacked by the stone people and one of the crew is effected by greyscale.

arya sells oysters on the docks. and, kills the wrong person.

jon snow is elected as lord commander. he then allows the wildings to come through the wall. and last, jon is stabbed by his own men.

aemon targaryen dies and sam goes to oldtown to become a maester.

daenerys flies off on drogon and is brought back to the dothraki sea.


if ive missed anything, post it.
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I forgot the most enjoyable one. cersei changes the high septon and it backfires on her. she is imprisoned, her hair is cut, and she is made to walk from the sept to the castle naked.
 
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