HBO's "Game of Thrones"

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GahLee said:
Just started watching this, 7 episodes in, hooked.
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Like farting in a elevator, you just pissed off everyone in here!

srsly, tho - enjoy. you're in for a wild ride. Oh, an unless you like spoilers, I would avoid this thread if I were you
 
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Kind of a funny observation, but I remember when it "leaked" that Charles Dance (Tywin) had been cast again for this season. The rumors started swirling... "is he coming back?" and "maybe they are going to do flashbacks!"

I guess no one considered the possibility that maybe he was going to just play his own dead corpse.
 
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So just started reading the first book.....Does each individual book run hand in hand with each season? Or what? Should I read the first book and then watch season 1 or does the first season have somethings in it from the second book?
 
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SouthKnoxVOL said:
So just started reading the first book.....Does each individual book run hand in hand with each season? Or what? Should I read the first book and then watch season 1 or does the first season have somethings in it from the second book?
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First book = first season
Second book = second season
Third book = third and fourth seasons
Fourth and fifth book = fifth season (roughly, a few bits in the 4th season as well)

Not sure how to answer your other question, because there are a ton of different ways to go about it depending on which medium you prefer. I will say that the novels are much more complex than the show by virtue of time constraints. The show begins to deviate more and more every season since 1, which is an extremely faithful adaptation.
 
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I won't post a link in this topic so nobody will freak out, but Emilia Clarke did an interview discussing Jon Snow. If you want to see her thoughts/possible inside knowledge, you can surely find it.
 
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I just watched the finale last night. I hate watching shows week to week so I generally wait til a seasons over and watch it all over a week or so.

Regardless, I'll say that I'm extremely disappointed with the John Snow death. It just doesn't make any sense. They've spent 5 seasons building this character and now, for the first time IMO, he become relevant and they kill him. Most of the other major deaths, though they've been shocking, have at least made sense but not this one.

So it really points to the rumors about him being resurrected somehow probably being true. Like I said... They spent 5 seasons building him up as the one who will lead the humans in the war against the white walkers and they kill him just before that war starts? That would be borderline retarded writing. But I feel like resurrecting him would almost be just as lame. I hate it when shows "kill" a main character and it turns out it was merely for shock value because they turn out to not be dead somehow. Maybe they pull it off. It's a great show so who knows? But I can't help but feel like this is the first time they've really dug themselves in a pretty big plot hole. Other shows do this all the time but this is one of the few that I expect better from.

I haven't read a great deal of this thread so if this has been addressed already then... Sorry.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I just watched the finale last night. I hate watching shows week to week so I generally wait til a seasons over and watch it all over a week or so.

Regardless, I'll say that I'm extremely disappointed with the John Snow death. It just doesn't make any sense. They've spent 5 seasons building this character and now, for the first time IMO, he become relevant and they kill him. Most of the other major deaths, though they've been shocking, have at least made sense but not this one.

So it really points to the rumors about him being resurrected somehow probably being true. Like I said... They spent 5 seasons building him up as the one who will lead the humans in the war against the white walkers and they kill him just before that war starts? That would be borderline retarded writing. But I feel like resurrecting him would almost be just as lame. I hate it when shows "kill" a main character and it turns out it was merely for shock value because they turn out to not be dead somehow. Maybe they pull it off. It's a great show so who knows? But I can't help but feel like this is the first time they've really dug themselves in a pretty big plot hole. Other shows do this all the time but this is one of the few that I expect better from.

I haven't read a great deal of this thread so if this has been addressed already then... Sorry.
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Nah, man. Well said. Better than the book readers or blog humpers in here could muster
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I just watched the finale last night. I hate watching shows week to week so I generally wait til a seasons over and watch it all over a week or so.

Regardless, I'll say that I'm extremely disappointed with the John Snow death. It just doesn't make any sense. They've spent 5 seasons building this character and now, for the first time IMO, he become relevant and they kill him. Most of the other major deaths, though they've been shocking, have at least made sense but not this one.

So it really points to the rumors about him being resurrected somehow probably being true. Like I said... They spent 5 seasons building him up as the one who will lead the humans in the war against the white walkers and they kill him just before that war starts? That would be borderline retarded writing. But I feel like resurrecting him would almost be just as lame. I hate it when shows "kill" a main character and it turns out it was merely for shock value because they turn out to not be dead somehow. Maybe they pull it off. It's a great show so who knows? But I can't help but feel like this is the first time they've really dug themselves in a pretty big plot hole. Other shows do this all the time but this is one of the few that I expect better from.

I haven't read a great deal of this thread so if this has been addressed already then... Sorry.
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I think Jon's death (and I'm assuming he will be resurrected because it's really the only thing that makes sense) has extreme thematic importance that will be touched on more next season.

This season relied on shock value that had not been properly built up more than any other, though. The burning of Shireen was utterly pointless, and the Stannis arc culminates with the greatest military strategist in Westeros being destroyed by 20 good men and "killed" by... Brienne. Sansa's arc was pretty bad in these terms as well - there was just no character growth there, even after that controversial scene.

There was a post on reddit that I agree with, saying that the series has gone from the realistic approach that bad things happen to good people to the approach where the villains can perform outrageously stupid actions without any consequences. It's just soul-crushing to watch - any moment of triumph is ruined seconds later.

The "dead but not really dead" thing frustrates me as well - Martin has done it in about 7-8 different cases in the recent books. It gets very repetitive as a concept.
 
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UTCVol said:
This season relied on shock value that had not been properly built up more than any other, though. The burning of Shireen was utterly pointless, and the Stannis arc culminates with the greatest military strategist in Westeros being destroyed by 20 good men and "killed" by... Brienne. Sansa's arc was pretty bad in these terms as well - there was just no character growth there, even after that controversial scene.
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I think that's pretty silly.

There was a post on reddit that I agree with, saying that the series has gone from the realistic approach that bad things happen to good people to the approach where the villains can perform outrageously stupid actions without any consequences. It's just soul-crushing to watch - any moment of triumph is ruined seconds later.
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I won't go that far, but I get that point. A lot of bad guys have gotten punished, though. The Lannisters are a great example of that.

The "dead but not really dead" thing frustrates me as well - Martin has done it in about 7-8 different cases in the recent books. It gets very repetitive as a concept.
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Agreed. With the exception of Jon Snow, I hope those other guys stay dead.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I think that's pretty silly.
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It just felt like a very abrupt and forced way for that plotline to end, considering what happened in the very next episode. Maybe it was just a vehicle to get Melisandre to realize she was wrong about Stannis, but that was an unceremonious end to be sure.

I won't go that far, but I get that point. A lot of bad guys have gotten punished, though. The Lannisters are a great example of that.
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Yeah, but the Lannisters are destroyed by their own tragic flaws, just as the "heroes" of the story are. Every move Tywin made was calculated, and he never overstepped his bounds. His biggest failure was being an inadequate father to all three of his children. Cersei is his only child that wants any part of the game of thrones, but she lacks the acumen and is ignored by Tywin because of her gender.

Meanwhile, Ramsay Bolton sneaks into a military camp of thousands with 20 people and destroys Stannis' supplies. He also fights elite ironborn shirtless and flays his bannermen with no consequences. That's what I'm talking about. There's also the sons of the harpy mowing through the Unsullied - not sure how that's logical at all.

This season was the point where the books expanded in scope - the show can't afford to do that, and they have to make some concessions. But for all the talk about how Martin loves shocking readers, there are plenty of glimmers of hope in the novels that don't exist in the show.
 
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#2,895
The burning of Shireen was utterly pointless only after the fact...

I do agree with the comments on the antagonists are moving toward "comic book" style villains and seem less like real people.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I just watched the finale last night. I hate watching shows week to week so I generally wait til a seasons over and watch it all over a week or so.

Regardless, I'll say that I'm extremely disappointed with the John Snow death. It just doesn't make any sense. They've spent 5 seasons building this character and now, for the first time IMO, he become relevant and they kill him. Most of the other major deaths, though they've been shocking, have at least made sense but not this one.

So it really points to the rumors about him being resurrected somehow probably being true. Like I said... They spent 5 seasons building him up as the one who will lead the humans in the war against the white walkers and they kill him just before that war starts? That would be borderline retarded writing. But I feel like resurrecting him would almost be just as lame. I hate it when shows "kill" a main character and it turns out it was merely for shock value because they turn out to not be dead somehow. Maybe they pull it off. It's a great show so who knows? But I can't help but feel like this is the first time they've really dug themselves in a pretty big plot hole. Other shows do this all the time but this is one of the few that I expect better from.

I haven't read a great deal of this thread so if this has been addressed already then... Sorry.
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There are educated guesses here based on Snow's fate based on the everything Game of Thrones has to offer, author, actors, show, books, etc. Read at your own peril, but regardless it's still just a heavily foreshadowed and hypothesizing estimate.
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I don't hate it as a writer from a storytelling perspective, especially a series (especially the books) of enormous characters. I'm not a fan of Plot armor, because we see it in all mediums. The heros in movies never die, or if they do its to save the world/come back later, characters in TV shows never have any real tension because you own't lose them, hell even in wrestling the good guys always win in the end or comics the good guys always come back. Martin has done a great job not letting ANYONE get comfortable with how their favorite character sits. Anyone can die at any time. there is no safety for anyone. The show made this even worse with Snow because they waited much longer and for him to do more than the books did, so he felt even more integral.

If I were guessing based on the huge foreshadowing in the books, show, actors (Like Emilia Clarke saying him coming back is 50/50... which is still more than we get on most characters at all), author himself, and fans? Jon's death will be a means to an end for him to join Melisandre and probably Khaleesi by the end to stop Winter for the last (or greatest) time, or even just to free him of his oath to the Night's Watch and hopefully enact some revenge on them, but if he is really Melisandre's Messiah reincarnated he may just "forgive" them and not touch them with them terrified of him for being brought back to life with, probably, some form of supernatural powers such as his sword being actual fire now.
 
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Daloth said:
or even just to free him of his oath to the Night's Watch and hopefully enact some revenge on them.
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There was only two ways to get him out of the Night's Watch. Remember he is like Ned and won't break his vows, so he has to fulfill them to move his story along.

I would place bets that he won't be resurrected until after they show the NW guys saying "his watch has ended".
 
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WarDamnVols said:
you would be doing yourself a huge disservice if you just went right into the next upcoming episode first. get on hbogo, start on episode 1, season 1, binge throughout whole series, and while in binge, do not, I repeat, DO NOT, look up any GoT related info until you are caught up, for "The internet is dark, and full of spoilers."

Enjoy it dude.
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I took your advice and did exactly this pretty much. Did all 5 seasons in about a month, and love the show.

Depressed I don't have more episodes to watch now though.
 
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