HBO's "Game of Thrones"

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WarDamnVols said:
I'm assuming you're referring to another convo.

His death (and his actions up to it) weren't really far off from what I imagined it would be.
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Haha yes. I was skimming to catch up. I agree with your previous post. Here was a very well written/acted villain and helped make the show what it is.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Was disappointed in Littlefingers death. Not that he died, I'm sure it was inevitable, but with the manner it was done.

Dude is the biggest schemer in Westeros and they give him a 2 minute death scene.
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Agree - thought it was quick; both the "trial" and the death. Felt completely rushed for the end of such a reviled character.
 
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carlos86 said:
Greensight is something that all the Stark children have. So seeing into the past isn't a stretch for them to believe.
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The lords of the north in the tv show don't know anything about it other than a seeing teenager rolling around in a wheel chair calling himself the 3 eyed raven and tells people he's not Bran Stark anymore.

Yes we know his abilities, but they've shown nothing to prove that the lords in the North believe in his abilities too as far as I can remember.
 
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jakez4ut said:
the only ones left are the mountain, cersi, the hound...iirc.
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Yeah but that just goes to show that she was never really bound to the list. She wouldn't kill the Hound - they formed a mutual respect and became buddies. I loved that road trip and the bond they formed between them. One of the most unlikely friendships on the show but because it was slowly developed - completely believable.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Yeah but that just goes to show that she was never really bound to the list. She wouldn't kill the Hound - they formed a mutual respect and became buddies. I loved that road trip and the bond they formed between them. One of the most unlikely friendships on the show but because it was slowly developed - completely believable.
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I loved the conversation between him and Brienne about Arya this past week. It finally showed the depth of his attachment to Arya. He was really committed to protecting her.
 
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I thought LF's death was actually quite perfect for the dishonest, cowardly little twit he was. He didn't deserve more. And, that moment when Sansa read the charges then looked at him instead of Arya...Boom.
 
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Littlefinger finally flew too close to the sun and it got his ass burned. I would have loved if it had been drawn out a little more, but I thought his death fitting of a cowardly manipulator of events. His problem was he exposed way too much of how he thinks to Sansa, who, unlike her mother, had no childhood fondness to blind her to his machinations.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Thats why you dont get the LF worship. Because you have this weird hang up about bad guys in shows and movies.
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I'm weird because like to see the black hat get his? In the real world heroes die, and evil seems to almost always win out. I don't care to watch it in fantasyland too. It seems weird to me to want to see good characters continue to suffer at the hands of evil sociopaths and psychopaths. Have the previous six seasons not given you your fill of that? Whatever though, to each his own, but I fear that in the end of this story nobody will be satisfied.
 
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another thing to consider regarding LF...maybe knowing how he was, and what kind of schemer he is, what benefit is there to ths starks or the lords of the north for that matter, in letting LF ramble on? character wise, one of the things LF had been able to do was talk himself out of bad situations....remember, he was fairly close to getting whacked by Cersi at one point, and talked himself out of that.

the stark girls just didn't let it get to that point. so from a character standpoint, it made sense to do it quickly....eliminate the possibility of being "talked out of it".
 
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Just read an interview with the actor that plays Bran. He said one scene that didn't make the final cut was Sansa coming to Bran for help, basically asking him what he's seen regarding LF and Arya.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I'm weird because like to see the black hat get his? In the real world heroes die, and evil seems to almost always win out. I don't care to watch it in fantasyland too. It seems weird to me to want to see good characters continue to suffer at the hands of evil sociopaths and psychopaths. Have the previous six seasons not given you your fill of that? Whatever though, to each his own, but I fear that in the end of this story nobody will be satisfied.
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I don't mind that Baelish dies. I'm mad that he didn't have a plan. His crimes were years old and the greatest schemer in the story had no plan for what would happen if he got caught up. Sansa already lied once to Royce about the events surrounding Lysa's death. Call into question her honesty now. What proof was there that he had Lysa kill Jon Aerys. The word of the previously mentioned liar. Let the Starks kids earn the win.
 
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volinbham said:
SIAP - the formation of the AotD moving through the wall looks suspiciously like the Stark sigil. Message about the Night King's heritage or coincidence or the film crew messing with fans

https://pizzabottle.com/45255-how-did-no-one-notice-the-army-of-the-dead-forming-the-stark-flag-in-game-of-thrones/?llid=aq0lj&utm_source=pbls&utm_medium=EKZ8
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He's one of the First Men so it wouldn't surprise me if he's related to the Starks (or any northern house) if they decide to put more backstory into who he is.

I'd guess Martin has something interesting planned for the books at least if he ever gets around to finishing the series.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Yeah but that just goes to show that she was never really bound to the list. She wouldn't kill the Hound - they formed a mutual respect and became buddies. I loved that road trip and the bond they formed between them. One of the most unlikely friendships on the show but because it was slowly developed - completely believable.
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The scene where they finally made it to the Eryie and The Hound says he wishes to speak to Lysa, only to find out she died a couple of days prior.

Arya' s hysterical laughter was pure gold. Terrific scene.
 
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ToineMac said:
I don't mind that Baelish dies. I'm mad that he didn't have a plan. His crimes were years old and the greatest schemer in the story had no plan for what would happen if he got caught up. Sansa already lied once to Royce about the events surrounding Lysa's death. Call into question her honesty now. What proof was there that he had Lysa kill Jon Aerys. The word of the previously mentioned liar. Let the Starks kids earn the win.
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I agree with the bold, but the problem is I doubt LF was taking insane magic into account. The Starks had an all seeing wizard card up their sleeve. Just the realization of that alone shook LF to his core and immediately took him off his game (you can notice it when Bran repeats his chaos is a ladder quote, and then when Bran mentions his betrayal of Ned).

It's easy to say that he could just turn the tables on Sansa, or try to make it out that Bran was just mad crazy, but the ultimate utter shock of knowing that Bran (and at this point Sansa and Arya) knew everything, took him off his A-game, and by that point, he was on the ropes and Sansa was beating down every counter he could muster.

LF had a plan for everything, except magic.
 
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TheDeeble said:
He's one of the First Men so it wouldn't surprise me if he's related to the Starks (or any northern house) if they decide to put more backstory into who he is.

I'd guess Martin has something interesting planned for the books at least if he ever gets around to finishing the series.
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Go a few pages back to the link from Carlos about the Night's King from the books - explains the linkage but still not clear if the show is linking to that Night's King or the OG WW who would have come long before the Night's King.
 
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ToineMac said:
I don't mind that Baelish dies. I'm mad that he didn't have a plan. His crimes were years old and the greatest schemer in the story had no plan for what would happen if he got caught up. Sansa already lied once to Royce about the events surrounding Lysa's death. Call into question her honesty now. What proof was there that he had Lysa kill Jon Aerys. The word of the previously mentioned liar. Let the Starks kids earn the win.
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That's the thing everybody is missing with this..Baelish had NO friends. Nobody was going to lift a finger to defend him or save him, especially Bronze Yohn. His treachery was his downfall.
 
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volinbham said:
Go a few pages back to the link from Carlos about the Night's King from the books - explains the linkage but still not clear if the show is linking to that Night's King or the OG WW who would have come long before the Night's King.
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It is a total mystery to me. Is this dude the original NK? If so he is over 8,000 years old. He was made by the CoF while they were still warring against the First Men, he was supposed to be their WMD against the First Men, they were losing the war, instead he turned on the CoF too and it became mutually assured destruction, so the CoF and the First Men joined together to stop him. After he was stopped the Wall was erected with the help of the magic of the CoF to keep them out, and then the Nights Watch was created to defend against the Others, and to man the wall...a least that is my understanding...What I don't understand is if Azor Ahai killed the NK by using Lightbringer that he had plunged into the heart of his love Nissa Nissa.. Then who in the he'll is this NK, and where did he come from?
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
It is a total mystery to me. Is this dude the original NK? If so he is over 8,000 years old. He was made by the CoF while they were still warring against the First Men, he was supposed to be their WMD against the First Men, they were losing the war, instead he turned on the CoF too and it became mutually assured destruction, so the CoF and the First Men joined together to stop him. After he was stopped the Wall was erected with the help of the magic of the CoF to keep them out, and then the Nights Watch was created to defend against the Others, and to man the wall...a least that is my understanding...What I don't understand is if Azor Ahai killed the NK by using Lightbringer that he had plunged into the heart of his love Nissa Nissa.. Then who in the he'll is this NK, and where did he come from?
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best advice I can give is watch the video Carlos posted - since the books and show deviate on the WW origins you need to see both to figure out what the show NK is supposed to be (still not clear but it helps)
 
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volinbham said:
Go a few pages back to the link from Carlos about the Night's King from the books - explains the linkage but still not clear if the show is linking to that Night's King or the OG WW who would have come long before the Night's King.
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If the timeline in the books is accurate then the Night's King shouldn't be the same person as The Night King.

IIRC, the Night's King was like the 11 or 12th? Night's Watch Lord Commander after the Wall was built. The Night's Watch was formed after/curing the Long Night. The Night King should have been created by the children long before The Night's King ever appeared.

It messed me up a little bit because I watched the first 4-5 seasons of Game of Thrones before I read the books. When I saw the Night's King in the book I thought they were talking about the Night King from the show at first, but the timelines don't match up. Unless the Night King somehow got beyond the wall he's not able to currently(in the books) since it's not just an ice wall, but one created with magic to keep the WW on their side. They kind of ignored that part in the HBO show.

I eventually just took it as HBO writers liked the name The Night's King and used that from the book for the chief WW.

I'm not saying it's not possible because they can write whatever they want or combine characters from the book into one on the show but I don't see how it would match up.

Or maybe it is tied together somehow. When reading the books I just took it for granted that Jon Snow was Ned Stark's bastard despite it being uncharacteristic for Stark. When it was revealed that Snow wasn't his son it made me question whether Rheagar actually kidnapped and raped Lyanna Stark. That doesn't match any of the description of his personality or character from the books IIRC. Made me think they secretly loved each other and never told anyone. I was surprised to be right about that.

So maybe there's something somewhere to me being a bit confused at first about The Night's King and The Night King.
 
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volinbham said:
SIAP - the formation of the AotD moving through the wall looks suspiciously like the Stark sigil. Message about the Night King's heritage or coincidence or the film crew messing with fans

https://pizzabottle.com/45255-how-did-no-one-notice-the-army-of-the-dead-forming-the-stark-flag-in-game-of-thrones/?llid=aq0lj&utm_source=pbls&utm_medium=EKZ8
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If thats the real pic, and I havent re-watched the episode yet, thats interesting. I do remember thinking that the dead army moving looked a bit strange..
 
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TheDeeble said:
If the timeline in the books is accurate then the Night's King shouldn't be the same person as The Night King.

IIRC, the Night's King was like the 11 or 12th? Night's Watch Lord Commander after the Wall was built. The Night's Watch was formed after/curing the Long Night. The Night King should have been created by the children long before The Night's King ever appeared.

It messed me up a little bit because I watched the first 4-5 seasons of Game of Thrones before I read the books. When I saw the Night's King in the book I thought they were talking about the Night King from the show at first, but the timelines don't match up. Unless the Night King somehow got beyond the wall he's not able to currently(in the books) since it's not just an ice wall, but one created with magic to keep the WW on their side. They kind of ignored that part in the HBO show.

I eventually just took it as HBO writers liked the name The Night's King and used that from the book for the chief WW.

I'm not saying it's not possible because they can write whatever they want or combine characters from the book into one on the show but I don't see how it would match up.

Or maybe it is tied together somehow. When reading the books I just took it for granted that Jon Snow was Ned Stark's bastard despite it being uncharacteristic for Stark. When it was revealed that Snow wasn't his son it made me question whether Rheagar actually kidnapped and raped Lyanna Stark. That doesn't match any of the description of his personality or character from the books IIRC. Made me think they secretly loved each other and never told anyone. I was surprised to be right about that.

So maybe there's something somewhere to me being a bit confused at first about The Night's King and The Night King.
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I get that. I mean I have never believed the show WWNK is The Night's king from that story, he can't be. The OGNK was created by the CoF a long time before the Wall or the Nights Watch were formed. I just wonder who this NK is, is he the OGNK come back to life somehow? Like I said in my other post, the OGNK is supposed to have been killed by the OGAA with the sword Lightbringer which was tempered by the blood of his wife Nissa Nissa by plunging it through her heart. That is what is confusing as hell to me. Who is this all powerful NK, and where the heck did he come from? I have heard no theory or explanation yet that makes good sense.
 
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