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#701
#701
Brave Volunteer said:
To me...and I'm sure you think it's an oversimplification, but I truly think it's only a racist issue if the ratio is glaringly below the national population percentages.

Approx 14% of the US Population is black. So of that 14%, roughly 48% are male. That means black males make up approximately 6.4% of the total US population. Considering that football coaching is 99.9999999999% male dominated, it's perfectly reasonable to not factor black females into the equation. Now, there are 129 FBS level football programs in the country and of those programs, 12 of them have black head football coaches. That means 9.3% of the FBS level football programs are being coached by African Americans. That is a 2.9% increase in ratio over the general black male population. I'm sorry, I just do not see the "systemic racism" at play here. I see a natural byproduct of the ratio of available black coaches vs available white coaches, based solely on the difference in population.
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This is bad logic. All races do not play CFB equally
 
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Nasavol said:
That is exactly what you are preaching though. I asked you to give me a couple of names that would make good COLLEGE head coaches. You gave me two NFL coaches. Even you, in all your holier than thou rants, still can’t name any. Lovie got fired because he wasn’t worth a damn, same for Gill. And Tee didn’t get an interview because he isn’t qualified, even though some want to pretend he is, he isn’t. Hell, he isn’t a good WR coach.
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You asked for 1. Who are you to say he is not qualified. You’re also highlighting another problem with CFB 🤦‍♂️
Nasavol said:
Who? I can’t name 1 off the top of my head
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#704
TNnative said:
I will say this: If the next Voice of the Vols is black, bring him on. I feel he will be an upgrade to Bob. If in the future we have a black AD? He can do no worse than some of the white guys we have had. And if we one day have a black head coach? My only concern will be that some stupid rednecks show up at his wife's place of business and harass her there, as was reported after Cuonzo Martin resigned.

Had Tony Elliott accepted the offer? I would have done my best to support him. But I will also say, when word got out he declined? Due to the incident listed above, I was relieved, because unfortunately, though 99.999% of us would never do that crap? That 0.001% that would, in the eyes of folks like you, reflects on all of us. And ya know what? That sucks.
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Not true. I appreciate the 1st paragraph though.
 
#706
#706
BayVol7 said:
Jeez I wish. The SEC does not have any black head coaches
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Never really thought about it to be honest I guess Sylvester Croom at Mississippi state was the last one. The way I see it is if anyone has proven themselves regardless of color then the should get a shot but I do not think that someone should get a job because of skin color. Not saying that's what you are implying at all.
 
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vols72 said:
Never really thought about it to be honest I guess Sylvester Croom at Mississippi state was the last one. The way I see it is if anyone has proven themselves regardless of color then the should get a shot but I do not think that someone should get a job because of skin color. Not saying that's what you are implying at all.
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Derek mason at vandy.
 
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615vols said:
Derek mason at vandy.
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And James Franklin before him. And Kevin Sumlin at A&M. BV7 is right that there are no black head coaches in the SEC...for now. But he's insinuating that there's a collective effort to purposely not hire AA head coaches in the SEC and I disagree. As we just demonstrated, we tried to hire 2 black head coaches and was turned down by both. We also tried to hire Charlie Strong a few years ago and got rejected. I mean, I can't speak for every other university in the SEC, but I sure as hell don't see this systemic racist system he's talking about when it comes to UT. This isn't the 1960's anymore. Pretty much every school in the country WANTS to be seen as progressive. But they're not going to just hire any bait bucket that comes along for posterity. If a candidate is the best available AND they are a person of color, great! But I will never begrudge any university to make what they feel is the best available hire that gives them the best chance to win, regardless of color.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
And James Franklin before him. And Kevin Sumlin at A&M. BV7 is right that there are no black head coaches in the SEC...for now. But he's insinuating that there's a collective effort to purposely not hire AA head coaches in the SEC and I disagree. As we just demonstrated, we tried to hire 2 black head coaches and was turned down by both. We also tried to hire Charlie Strong a few years ago and got rejected. I mean, I can't speak for every other university in the SEC, but I sure as hell don't see this systemic racist system he's talking about when it comes to UT. This isn't the 1960's anymore. Pretty much every school in the country WANTS to be seen as progressive. But they're not going to just hire any bait bucket that comes along for posterity. If a candidate is the best available AND they are a person of color, great! But I will never begrudge any university to make what they feel is the best available hire that gives them the best chance to win, regardless of color.
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Yeah the racism accusation is just idiotic. It lacks any substance and ignores the facts. Hires shouldn’t be made based upon ones skin color, no matter whose feelings it hurts.
 
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#711
Can we not just get past all of this and support the young men that have chosen to go to school at UT. Black, White, Red or Brown they each have made the decision along with their families to come and play football here and try and get an education, improve their lives along with their future families and if the amount of dedication and ability warrants maybe play on Sunday.

The social issues facing us all everyday as it has for decades will not be solved on a college football fan site. Nobody is going to change somebody else's views or life experiences on a key board miles apart and the continuous arguing really serves no useful purpose.

Lets give the individuals that will make up this team, the coaches and staff what they need from us as fans....support because many of them have never had it and unfortunately this may be for some BLACK, WHITE, RED or BROWN their only chance.
 
#714
#714
azvol03 said:
There are two AA head basketball coaches in the SEC right now. There have been FIVE Black head football coaches in the SEC in the recent past. All lost their jobs for the same reason white coaches lose their positions. Lack of SUCCESS, NOT quantity of melanin in their skin. College sports contests and outcomes are, by definition, dependent on merit (or meritocracy—since you seem so fond of the word).
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“...when looking at just the Power Five leagues, the number is a paltry 13.8 percent.”
'It's very disappointing': The number of black head coaches continues to fall at college hoops' highest level - College Basketball | NBC Sports
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
And James Franklin before him. And Kevin Sumlin at A&M. BV7 is right that there are no black head coaches in the SEC...for now. But he's insinuating that there's a collective effort to purposely not hire AA head coaches in the SEC and I disagree. As we just demonstrated, we tried to hire 2 black head coaches and was turned down by both. We also tried to hire Charlie Strong a few years ago and got rejected. I mean, I can't speak for every other university in the SEC, but I sure as hell don't see this systemic racist system he's talking about when it comes to UT. This isn't the 1960's anymore. Pretty much every school in the country WANTS to be seen as progressive. But they're not going to just hire any bait bucket that comes along for posterity. If a candidate is the best available AND they are a person of color, great! But I will never begrudge any university to make what they feel is the best available hire that gives them the best chance to win, regardless of color.
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No, I am not.
I am, however, saying that this is an issue that deserves a lot more attention.
 
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BayVol7 said:
No, I am not.
I am, however, saying that this is an issue that deserves a lot more attention.
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No it doesn't, your either qualified or your not...Giving you a head coaching job just because your black is ridiculous...It's no different than giving unqualified white people head coaching jobs that don't deserve it...Too many of these jobs are given to people who can't handle it and fail and then complain that they didn't get a fair chance...They got a chance and some even get 2nd and 3 chances....Ty Willingham is a perfect example...You either got it or you don't...Simple as that...It's not about black and white, It's people like you that make it that way.
 
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BayVol7 said:
^implicit and explicit biases exist


^ridiculous comment
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And here lies the fundamental issue. You can say that all white people have explicit biases, yet if I was to make a statement that black folks are more often than not no more than street thugs, I would be considered a racist.
 
#721
#721
BayVol7 said:
You asked for 1. Who are you to say he is not qualified. You’re also highlighting another problem with CFB 🤦‍♂️
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You are correct, I asked for one, and you couldn’t give me one. It’s obvious he isn’t qualified, how many programs have interviewed him? South Alabama told him to kick rocks. He isn’t a good position coach, look at the product on the field. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but, Tee Martin should never have been put on staff to start with.
 
#725
#725
BayVol7 said:
Not true. I appreciate the 1st paragraph though.
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Well, of course. The first is what you wanted to read. But considering our history, the second is just as true. As to whether you appreciate one over the other? I find it hard to GAF.
 
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