Haynesworth calling for boycott...

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Volsfaninva917 said:
After Bruce Pearl ( Jewish ) was fired Tennessee tried to hire Smart from VCU and then eventually landed on Martin. When Martin left Tennessee again went after Smart but fell all the way down to Tyndall. When Tyndall was fired it was a no brainer what needed to happen, they went out and hired Barnes at the time were there any minority coaches that had the same resume? No

Lets talk about football, now I will say this when Kippy Brown was passed over for Dooley that was 100% Bullsh!t and should have never happened but I think that had a lot to do with Brown couldn't get along with anyone in the administration. After Dooley was fired UT tried to hire Charlie Strong and had him all but signed up but he left us at the table. Fulmer tried like hell to hire Mel Tucker in 2017 but Tucker was smart enough to stay the hell away from Fulmer because Fulmer was a disaster. This year Tennessee was set to pay Franklin Saban type money but he turned it down and moved to Elliott, he turned us down and I'm not sure why. I think he's looking to stay in the ACC and I think he has his eyes set on that VT job next year because its an easier rebuild than here and I don't blame him. But then Tennessee hired JH who has a far better resume than Tee, Dykes or anyone else left on that list, I'm sorry but he does. Tee has been very arrogant towards people who have tried to help him land smaller jobs to get started, he does come across as entitled when it comes to UT but I think 2021 has settled this and he won't be back. That's OK, sometimes it's best to appreciate one another from a distance.

Racism still exist in this country from all sides ( Black, White, Brown, Yellow ) because people still see color and that's sad but to say Tennessee hasn't tried is wildly inaccurate. I think you forget CH was assistant AD over there for a long time as well.

Tennessee needs to hire the best candidate for the job regardless of skin color and not hire based on the color of ones skins first.
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Thanks for the run down and the mature attempt at convo. I never said TN didn‘t try. They need to do a whole lot more. As does the rest of the country unfortunately.

Is college football going to hire any Black coaches this year?
 
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BigBadVol said:
You must be a Louis Farrakhan disciple. You know he coined the term “white privilege” don’t you. Oh the Bay Area huh? Now I understand.
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This is not true 🤦‍♂️.
I call it like I see it. If you can ignore racism it is a privilege.
 
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So let's hire a coach who has absolutely no experience at coaching at a high level because he is black.please stay away Albert Haynesworth, you have been an embarrassment to volnation anyway
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
So people should be hired simply because they are black? Who gives a ratsrectum about qualifications? Right? Nobody owes anyone squat. Its been 150+ years....time to move on.
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I look forward to the day all people are hired based on nothing but qualifications
 
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BayVol7 said:
I look forward to the day all people are hired based on nothing but qualifications
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Hey BV7, can you give me some examples where a more qualified black coach was passed over and a less qualified white coach was hired instead? I'm not trying to argue or debate you. I genuinely would like to know some of the examples.

One thing I will say, coaching in a lot of cases IS a who you know, "good ole boy" system. What I mean by that is, coaches prefer to hire other coaches they know, have worked with in the past, or are familiar with that they trust. And yes that IS a discriminatory tendency, not just towards black coaches but coaches in general. But I think honestly that's just human nature. It's not done with the intent to be malicious.

In the music business, this is referred to as "the hang." I've heard countless musicians say that personality and familiarity wins out over talent almost every time when it comes to choosing band mates. That they would much rather work with less talented players that are more professional and easier to get along and hang out with than more talented players that are primadonnas or just don't fit in personality wise with the other players.

Sorry if you think I'm being naive but I really do think a LOT of this just stems from the ratio of white coaches vs black coaches. The pool is just simply larger for white coaches than black coaches. To me the only real solution if you want to see more black head coaches is there needs to be a greater number of former black players going into the profession, which means more of them need to earn their BS.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Hey BV7, can you give me some examples where a more qualified black coach was passed over and a less qualified white coach was hired instead? I'm not trying to argue or debate you. I genuinely would like to know some of the examples.

One thing I will say, coaching in a lot of cases IS a who you know, "good ole boy" system. What I mean by that is, coaches prefer to hire other coaches they know, have worked with in the past, or are familiar with that they trust. And yes that IS a discriminatory tendency, not just towards black coaches but coaches in general. But I think honestly that's just human nature. It's not done with the intent to be malicious.

In the music business, this is referred to as "the hang." I've heard countless musicians say that personality and familiarity wins out over talent almost every time when it comes to choosing band mates. That they would much rather work with less talented players that are more professional and easier to get along and hang out with than more talented players that are primadonnas or just don't fit in personality wise with the other players.

Sorry if you think I'm being naive but I really do think a LOT of this just stems from the ratio of white coaches vs black coaches. The pool is just simply larger for white coaches than black coaches. To me the only real solution if you want to see more black head coaches is there needs to be a greater number of former black players going into the profession, which means more of them need to earn their BS.
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And quit kneeling while they earn millions of $$$ as a player.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Your argument is nothing more than privileged this and that. You’re all the same.

There’s powerful rich Black surgeons, lawyers, judges, Senators, Congress members, Corporate CEO’s, business owners....a Black President. Now if any of those Americans in those categories listed are Conservatives....well we know how you BLM’s think of them. Or if a Black police officer is murdered like Retired Captain David Dorn during your “rioting movement” not a peep. Or Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas as You Ain’t Black Biden and YOUR leaders tried to destroy a powerful Conservative Black man...



Liberal feminists are no different when it comes to Conservative women. Pure hypocrisy at its finest.
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Your argument is the same actually. I’ve posted plenty of substance. You keep responding with....stereotypical foolery. Absolutely none of it proves systematic racism does not exist.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
I have family that are from Poor Valley Abingdon, Va. They grew up in shacks without in door plumbing during the 80’s. Most of my cousins with a couple of uncles turned to violent crime and prostitution. Most are in prison as we speak for attempted murder and drug trafficking. I have one cousin that did time in Brushy Mountain Penitentiary killing three inmates before dying from an infection from being shanked himself in a fight.

So tell me again about this mythical White Privilege and how we all have it. I’d love to hear this.
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Ok. You’re displaying it right now. 🤦‍♂️
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Hey BV7, can you give me some examples where a more qualified black coach was passed over and a less qualified white coach was hired instead? I'm not trying to argue or debate you. I genuinely would like to know some of the examples.

One thing I will say, coaching in a lot of cases IS a who you know, "good ole boy" system. What I mean by that is, coaches prefer to hire other coaches they know, have worked with in the past, or are familiar with that they trust. And yes that IS a discriminatory tendency, not just towards black coaches but coaches in general. But I think honestly that's just human nature. It's not done with the intent to be malicious.

In the music business, this is referred to as "the hang." I've heard countless musicians say that personality and familiarity wins out over talent almost every time when it comes to choosing band mates. That they would much rather work with less talented players that are more professional and easier to get along and hang out with than more talented players that are primadonnas or just don't fit in personality wise with the other players.

Sorry if you think I'm being naive but I really do think a LOT of this just stems from the ratio of white coaches vs black coaches. The pool is just simply larger for white coaches than black coaches. To me the only real solution if you want to see more black head coaches is there needs to be a greater number of former black players going into the profession, which means more of them need to earn their BS.
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I appreciate the mature engagement.

You listed all the proof. IMO, it starts at the lower levels. It all begins with the initial chance. I definitely believe we have come a long way but it is proven than implicit and explicit biases exist. There have to be steps taken to circumvent our dumb human flaws. This applies to all people in all professions.
 
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AllVol68 said:
Where in that post did you come to that conclusion?
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cgrish said:
Systemic means as a whole. I for one want the best coach available. I don't care what color they are. And thats the way I think the majority of people in Tn. are, whoever is the best; not what color they are. And if the majority are for whoever is best then you do not have systemic racism.
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