Had Kiffin Stayed

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DeerPark12 said:
That came about because they didn't put in the game plan in for VT until they got to Atlanta and then had no curfew for the players until the day before game day.
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Well that makes sense... they played and coached like they were hung over.
 
#53
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If rather think about what if Fulmer hadn't been fired during the 08 season. Boyd would have been on campus for the 09 season.
 
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If kiffen had stayed we would be fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff thats about the best i can sum it up.:banghead2:
 
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Assuming Kiffin wasn't fired for performance, he would have stuck around for 3-4 years, gotten the team to 8-9 wins, left for another job, and we'd be just now emerging from sanctions.
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
With so much uproar pertaining to the new AD hire and Butch's lack luster coaching the last two-three years, how do you, VN experts, think the program would be right now?

I think Hammy would still be here.

I think the football program would be much, much better off! Would have beaten Bama at least once in the past seven years. But, we would have still lost a game or two each year we should have won.

Would have had more talent on the roster. (More attrition also)

After his initial push to get Tennessee on the map by way of attention, there would be no more secondary violations. (Hamilton stated that CLK told him he was going to do things to get the UT name back out there)

There would be no shortage of incidents or stories to talk about.

And finally, one of you great posters would probably have a stepson named Knox right now!
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Stop the Insanity
 
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Hairy Vols said:
Umm no it wouldn't lol. That's how you end up with booger eating drunks for Head Football Coaches. Or maybe we go back to the Pony Express at SMU. I'm sure they would take Dooley over sanctions any day of the week.
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Dooley was a sanction in itself.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
We would be on probation and facing sanctions. Simple as that.
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Then why isn't Bama on probation and facing sanctions? I don't buy that even though some do.

I too think the program would have been better off than today from a W-L perspective, but I also think CBJ is a better person/personal-mentor than Kiffin.

Kiffin is a better prep-coach, player-developer, game-day coach and assistant coach recruiter.

They may be equal from a talent-recruitment perspective considering how many of Kiffin's guys fell through the cracks, got kicked out of school or were hauled off to prison.
 
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utvols74 said:
Then why isn't Bama on probation and facing sanctions? I don't buy that even though some do.

I too think the program would have been better off than today from a W-L perspective, but I also think CBJ is a better person/personal-mentor than Kiffin.

Kiffin is a better prep-coach, player-developer, game-day coach and assistant coach recruiter.

They may be equal from a talent-recruitment perspective considering how many of Kiffin's guys fell through the cracks, got kicked out of school or were hauled off to prison.
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Seriously, he was OC and NOT in control at Alabama! Nick would have fired him if he had a dirty finger nail! This is all part of his plan, I'm calling it now, Kiffin will have a winning season, beat at P5 team badly THEN COACH TOOTH GETS FIRED, and Kiffin is the NEW COACH of the Gators! 2120, Florida won't have a football program!
 
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TNnative said:
Actually, we would be looking at what Ole Miss is going through, and envying them. What hasn't been mentioned yet is the job opportunities the team would have created just on the strip. A few more incidents like the armed robbery at the pilot, and Cumberland Avenue might have garnered federal funding to maintain a visible 24 hour police presence. Tennessee could have been the first college football team with a parole officer on it's staff.
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You're probably right. People tend to forget how wild things were during Kiffin's time in Knoxville and not wild in a good way.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
You're probably right. People tend to forget how wild things were during Kiffin's time in Knoxville and not wild in a good way.
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Yep. There is so much revisionist history surrounding Kiffin's time in Knoxville that it is hard to have a conversation about it at times.
 
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05_never_again said:
Yep. There is so much revisionist history surrounding Kiffin's time in Knoxville that it is hard to have a conversation about it at times.
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It never ceases to amaze me at how short some people's memories are. Had we found a descent coach after he bolted Kiffin would be Dooley right now. He would be a joke and a bad memory to every UT fan.
 
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The only reason imo that some here still has a soft spot for Kiffin is because he was followed by the worst HC in school history. Dooley makes Charlie Weiss look competent as a HC by comparison. Hell did they forget the loss to a ****** UCLA team at home or the a** whipping Ole Miss gave us? Kiffin's claim to fame was beating UGA and not getting blown out by UF and Bama.

Yippy
 
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Kiffen did not have to cheat to get good players at Bama. Let's see how it goes in the future.
 
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Lane should never have been a coach here. He was far too immature to be a head coach. He has a brilliant offensive mind, but he also has the maturity of a 16 year old.
 
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KINGSVOL said:
Seriously, he was OC and NOT in control at Alabama! Nick would have fired him if he had a dirty finger nail! This is all part of his plan, I'm calling it now, Kiffin will have a winning season, beat at P5 team badly THEN COACH TOOTH GETS FIRED, and Kiffin is the NEW COACH of the Gators! 2120, Florida won't have a football program!
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We can dream, right?
 
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dduncan4163 said:
It never ceases to amaze me at how short some people's memories are. Had we found a descent coach after he bolted Kiffin would be Dooley right now. He would be a joke and a bad memory to every UT fan.
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The most frustrating false points that always seem to come up are 1) that he was viewed cautiously or outright hated from the moment he showed up here and 2) if he stayed, he would have turned Tennessee into a juggernaut again.

OK, #2 technically can't be false because it is an opinion, but it is quite an opinion to have considering Kiffin's post-Tennessee activities.
 
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