Gun control debate (merged)

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volfanhill said:
Taking pride on ignorance of any subject is well ignorant AF. I am ignorant on many things but don't take pride in it. Side note: if you admit ignorance you should stfu with suggestions on the same topic.
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You don't take pride on your ignorance of the inner-workings of child pornography rings? I certainly do.
I also take pride in my ignorance of how to successfully cheat on my wife, make counterfeit money, and how to cook meth.
 
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luthervol said:
You don't take pride on your ignorance of the inner-workings of child pornography rings? I certainly do.
I also take pride in my ignorance of how to successfully cheat on my wife, make counterfeit money, and how to cook meth.
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Good lord. No it wouldn't be bad to know how those things work. To do them would be obviously horrific. Knowing the "bad" is important. You being an educator and celebrating your own ignorance explains perfectly why our public education system is crap.
 
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luthervol said:
You don't take pride on your ignorance of the inner-workings of child pornography rings? I certainly do.
I also take pride in my ignorance of how to successfully cheat on my wife, make counterfeit money, and how to cook meth.
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G.I. Joe: " Now you know. And knowing is half the battle."

Luther: "If you think it's bad don't learn about it. And ignorance is all the battle."
 
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luthervol said:
You don't take pride on your ignorance of the inner-workings of child pornography rings? I certainly do.
I also take pride in my ignorance of how to successfully cheat on my wife, make counterfeit money, and how to cook meth.
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Ok getting even more bothered by your ignorance. Maybe if you and I were more informed on child porn we could help prevent it. Same with counterfeiting.
 
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luthervol said:
You don't take pride on your ignorance of the inner-workings of child pornography rings? I certainly do.
I also take pride in my ignorance of how to successfully cheat on my wife, make counterfeit money, and how to cook meth.
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Those are illegal and terrible things. Owning and shooting a gun is neither
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Can you provide an example of this marketing you claim exists?
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Interesting article
All-American Killer: How the AR-15 Became Mass Shooters' Weapon of Choice
Sales soared as a torrent of consumer gun marketing played up the battlefield appeal of these weapons, including tag lines such as: “The closest you can get without having to enlist.” Other gun-makers now pitch their weapons with explicit depictions of combat, or under the label “tactical” – referring to SWAT-style urban warfare. Many invoke what Tom Diaz, a top expert on gun violence, calls “the portentous scenario.” It’s never quite clear what’s gone wrong – an invasion, a race war, social breakdown. “They connect that to this rifle,” says Diaz. “ ’And you’re gonna need it. And if you have it, you’re gonna have a fighting chance.'”
 
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luthervol said:
Interesting article
All-American Killer: How the AR-15 Became Mass Shooters' Weapon of Choice
Sales soared as a torrent of consumer gun marketing played up the battlefield appeal of these weapons, including tag lines such as: “The closest you can get without having to enlist.” Other gun-makers now pitch their weapons with explicit depictions of combat, or under the label “tactical” – referring to SWAT-style urban warfare. Many invoke what Tom Diaz, a top expert on gun violence, calls “the portentous scenario.” It’s never quite clear what’s gone wrong – an invasion, a race war, social breakdown. “They connect that to this rifle,” says Diaz. “ ’And you’re gonna need it. And if you have it, you’re gonna have a fighting chance.'”
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Sounds scary. 😴
 
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It pisses me off that no matter where it is in the world everytime a diaper headed terrorist goes on an attack the left rushes to say not all Muslims are terrorists.

However there are Millions of responsible law abiding gun owners in this country but when one A-hole goes on a shooting rampage they rush to say it's not that criminal/terrorist fault it's the guns and the law abiding gun owners fault.

Just because one crazy idiot uses a gun to commit a crime does not make all gun owners criminals.

The left blames NRA Members an organization that's been around for over 150 years for every murder that takes place. Yet as a NRA Member I have yet to see anywhere where a NRA Member has killed anyone other than maybe in self defense.
 
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lawgator1 said:
By that logic let people have bazookas because eventually they would have sling shots. And then they would be most deadly and look how ridiculous that is, so get on ebay and Amazon and splurge on that bazooka today.
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Those honestly aren't that much fun to fire - especially if you spend a hot afternoon on the range with a beat up launcher, iffy rounds, and a lot of misfires. Now an M79 grenade launcher is a hoot.
 
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volfanhill said:
Good lord. No it wouldn't be bad to know how those things work. To do them would be obviously horrific. Knowing the "bad" is important. You being an educator and celebrating your own ignorance explains perfectly why our public education system is crap.
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He has perfectly confirmed what has been said in the PF many times about liberals: it is all about emotion and feelings. Their ignorance about the subject matter is irrelevant.
 
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luthervol said:
Interesting article
All-American Killer: How the AR-15 Became Mass Shooters' Weapon of Choice
Sales soared as a torrent of consumer gun marketing played up the battlefield appeal of these weapons, including tag lines such as: “The closest you can get without having to enlist.” Other gun-makers now pitch their weapons with explicit depictions of combat, or under the label “tactical” – referring to SWAT-style urban warfare. Many invoke what Tom Diaz, a top expert on gun violence, calls “the portentous scenario.” It’s never quite clear what’s gone wrong – an invasion, a race war, social breakdown. “They connect that to this rifle,” says Diaz. “ ’And you’re gonna need it. And if you have it, you’re gonna have a fighting chance.'”
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Lot of boo words in the article, but not too bad a treatment of the history, other than continuing to refer to the guns as assault rifles. They're not: assault rifles are fully automatic.

Have frequented gun stores all my life. Have never seen an advertisement or marketing tag lines claimed within this article. Not saying they do not exist, just have never seen one.

I own a Bushmaster and have taken deer with it. The wounds from the .223 had a less noticeable effect than my .270 Winchester, but that is purely anecdotal because of shot placement in the particular instances. If I were put in a situation having to make a long distance kill shot, the .270 Winchester Model 70 or .308 Winchester Model 88 I have would be picked before the Bushmaster.

For just target shooting, the Bushmaster. Light recoil and far less expensive to shoot.
 
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luthervol said:
It goes without saying.
It's just I would prefer that the most deadly thing available on the market not be a nuclear warhead capable of wiping out half of humanity or a vial of highly contagious and deadly baboon virus.

In the same vein, I would prefer guns to be less deadly.
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I want mine MORE deadly, because if I ever have to use it for it's intended purpose, I don't want there to be any doubt that it worked.
 
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luthervol said:
I take pride in my gun ignorance.......just wanted to preface my next comments.
It seems all ARs are not created equally. There's evidently something about caliber, velocity, type of bullet, etc.....
So maybe instead of banning all ARs, we just ban the ones that are most deadly.
Then people can still play Army Man and Rambo but the number of the more deadly are reduced.
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It's not the people LARPing that are shooting up people. It's people who dont have a history with firearms, and have only heard from the media about guns, that turn to ARs to shoot up people.
 
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85SugarVol said:
This was the “most deadly” firearm on the market in 1791 -

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And just for further context - Colonial Americans owned personal firearms at a rate of roughly 60-80% of the population (depending on the probate inventories researched).

And those estimates are believed to be underestimated, given the incomplete probate records from 200+ years ago.

Imagine a society where 80% of the population personally owned the “most deadly” firearm on the market….. pure horror.

https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1489&context=wmlr
 
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lawgator1 said:
By that logic let people have bazookas because eventually they would have sling shots. And then they would be most deadly and look how ridiculous that is, so get on ebay and Amazon and splurge on that bazooka today.
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Private, individual ownership of cannonry and artillery was quite common at the time of our founding.

Let’s do it.
 
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luthervol said:
Interesting article
All-American Killer: How the AR-15 Became Mass Shooters' Weapon of Choice
Sales soared as a torrent of consumer gun marketing played up the battlefield appeal of these weapons, including tag lines such as: “The closest you can get without having to enlist.” Other gun-makers now pitch their weapons with explicit depictions of combat, or under the label “tactical” – referring to SWAT-style urban warfare. Many invoke what Tom Diaz, a top expert on gun violence, calls “the portentous scenario.” It’s never quite clear what’s gone wrong – an invasion, a race war, social breakdown. “They connect that to this rifle,” says Diaz. “ ’And you’re gonna need it. And if you have it, you’re gonna have a fighting chance.'”
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What about that marketing makes them mass killing machines?

This is your issue, just like that tweet from GOA you freaked out about. You jump straight to hyperbole, when the truth probably makes a helpful argument for you already.
 
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