Gun control debate (merged)

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luthervol said:
I wouldn't have gone in, and certainly would never have let my family go in.
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Curious ... Is it the knowing the gun was on the person , “the person looking shady “, seeing the gun being put into the waist ban , the time of night it was or the red state that would determine you don’t go in .
 
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southgatevol said:
Would it matter if they were white, dressed nice, with wife and kids in the car? Or, black, wearing gang material, with gold teeth? Hispanic, possibly MS13? White, biker gang member? When is the correct time to be concerned about a gun? Only when it is tucked in the waistband? What if a woman tucks one in her bra? Concern?
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Of course it would matter. Who doesn't pre-judge a situation.......... Only a fool.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Curious ... Is it the knowing the gun was on the person , “the person looking shady “, seeing the gun being put into the waist ban , the time of night it was or the red state that would determine you don’t go in .
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Luther would piss his pants and then convince himself, with considerable argument no doubt, this was both a rational and reasonable response.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Curious ... Is it the knowing the gun was on the person , “the person looking shady “, seeing the gun being put into the waist ban , the time of night it was or the red state that would determine you don’t go in .
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A combination of all of the above.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Evil's post suggest that she didn't even stick around long enough to fuel the vehicle once she saw a gun. I can see the logic behind a person wanting to carry a gun into a gas station considering how often gas stations are targeted for robbery.
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I can absolutely understand that logic, however, that goes in to the algebra of me not following that person in whether I'm carrying or not. And I sure don't drag the family in. In my experience, people that are responsible carry people... You don't often see their guns.
 
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evillawyer said:
Vacationing in a red state. 11:00 PM tonight I had to fill up the rental car before returning it earlytomorrow morning. Go to a gas station. No other cars there. Pull up to the pump and put the car in park, but before I kill the engine another car drives in and parks in a shaded area. Dude (moderately sketchy looking) gets out and puts something in the back of his pants. As he walks by, staring at me, I notice it's a gun. Once he walks by, I get the hell out of Dodge.

Query: Does living in a place where that's allowed make you feel safer? Would you go into the gas station in that situation? Would you bring your family in with you? Do you think that's good for business?
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So your concern was the person was about to commit a crime or was otherwise dangerous? If so did you call the police or just left the clerk to fend for themself? Or you panicked about a gun and it made you flee?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Not afraid of guns at all, but I am wary of people who tuck one in their waistband before walking into a gas station. No, I wouldn't go in. Why would I?
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People are mostly making fun of EL's strident screeching about all things centered on the firearm. Would she (or anyone) have felt better if a "sketchy" person was going in without a visible firearm having no idea if that person was actually armed or not? What about a knife? What about just a really big scary looking dude in general?

I try not to get overly judgemental about anyone that has their radar go off in a situation. Awareness is actually one of one's best lines of defense and if, as you point out, find a deliberate waistband tuck and the person doing the tucking making your spidey sense tingle then that's ok. EL however is a raging hoplophobe and the way she couched her "question" on the matter is the source of the derision.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I can absolutely understand that logic, however, that goes in to the algebra of me not following that person in whether I'm carrying or not. And I sure don't drag the family in. In my experience, people that are responsible carry people... You don't often see their guns.
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True, but I pretty much always take mine out of my pocket or waistband when I'm driving then put it back when I get out. So seeing his gun doesn't make him irresponsible.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
So your concern was the person was about to commit a crime or was otherwise dangerous? If so did you call the police or just left the clerk to fend for themself? Or you panicked about a gun and it made you flee?
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My concern was that he put the gun in his back waistband. It had clearly not been there when he drove in (else there would have been no tucking it in the back waistband). The gas station had no other cars there and the store inside appeared empty. The dude looked like the type of guy who'd show up in a police blotter for an armed robbery arrest. Seemed strange to arm oneself when going in to what appeared to be an empty business at 11:00 at night ... And staring at the one other person that just drove up.
 
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Afew other questions for you. Suppose the cashier had seen what I had seen and was armed himself. Does he have the right to take a defensive position and aim the gun at the guy as he walks in? Or at least to have his hand on the guy already? He doesn't have to wait until the guy draws first does he? And the guy walking in, if he sees that the cashier had his hand on his gun, can he likewise draw his?

One thing that the episode impressed upon me is how the presence of firearms can quickly escalate what was likely just an innocuous instance of guy going to get a bag of Doritos at a gas station convenience store at 11:00 at night.
 
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evillawyer said:
My concern was that he put the gun in his back waistband. It had clearly not been there when he drove in (else there would have been no tucking it in the back waistband). The gas station had no other cars there and the store inside appeared empty. The dude looked like the type of guy who'd show up in a police blotter for an armed robbery arrest. Seemed strange to arm oneself when going in to what appeared to be an empty business at 11:00 at night ... And staring at the one other person that just drove up.
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He might have seen you and got scared.
 
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evillawyer said:
Afew other questions for you. Suppose the cashier had seen what I had seen and was armed himself. Does he have the right to take a defensive position and aim the gun at the guy as he walks in? Or at least to have his hand on the guy already? He doesn't have to wait until the guy draws first does he? And the guy walking in, if he sees that the cashier had his hand on his gun, can he likewise draw his?

One thing that the episode impressed upon me is how the presence of firearms can quickly escalate what was likely just an innocuous instance of guy going to get a bag of Doritos at a gas station convenience store at 11:00 at night.
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Somebody told him that there was a lawyer outside.
 
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evillawyer said:
Afew other questions for you. Suppose the cashier had seen what I had seen and was armed himself. Does he have the right to take a defensive position and aim the gun at the guy as he walks in? Or at least to have his hand on the guy already? He doesn't have to wait until the guy draws first does he? And the guy walking in, if he sees that the cashier had his hand on his gun, can he likewise draw his?

One thing that the episode impressed upon me is how the presence of firearms can quickly escalate what was likely just an innocuous instance of guy going to get a bag of Doritos at a gas station convenience store at 11:00 at night.
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The presence of firearms does not escalate a situation. People acting like idiots escalate them.
 
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One other detail. Don't know if it makes a difference for folks. When he tucked it in to his back waistband, he also tucked in that portion of the shirt. Thus, the handle of the gun was visible and the gun was much easier for him to access, as he would not need to pull up the back of his shirt to get to the gun.
 
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evillawyer said:
My concern was that he put the gun in his back waistband. It had clearly not been there when he drove in (else there would have been no tucking it in the back waistband). The gas station had no other cars there and the store inside appeared empty. The dude looked like the type of guy who'd show up in a police blotter for an armed robbery arrest. Seemed strange to arm oneself when going in to what appeared to be an empty business at 11:00 at night ... And staring at the one other person that just drove up.
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Even with a holster you don’t drive with a gun back there, it’s a bit uncomfortable. I’m just glad your first reaction to a sketchy person with a gun was to peace out and leave the cashier to their fate. Maybe the guy knows it’s a sketchy gas station to be at, or went in there to keep his girlfriend company while she works? There’s a hundred benign possibilities to your panicked one. But regardless you didn’t call the cops so I’m not sure what that says.
 
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