Gun control debate (merged)

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#9,876
hog88 said:
Ahh, just as I thought, you are nothing but transparent.
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I would hope I'm that transparent and predictable. I've spent two years on here being consistent.
I guess you are saying that unjustifiably locking someone up is preferable to unjustifiably taking one's guns.....which seems inconsistent on your part.
 
#9,877
#9,877
luthervol said:
I would hope I'm that transparent and predictable. I've spent two years on here being consistent.
I guess you are saying that unjustifiably locking someone up is preferable to unjustifiably taking one's guns.....which seems inconsistent on your part.
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I want neither. The key word is unjustifiably. The freeking government should never do anything unjustified.
 
#9,878
#9,878
hog88 said:
I want neither. The key word is unjustifiably. The freeking government should never do anything unjustified.
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Of course they shouldn't, but as we all know, mistakes happen. Innocent people have been found guilty since trials began. It's inevitable. The answer is obviously not to stop having trials.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
This^^^^^^^ IT is starting to get into that 'hero' and 'racist' realm of a word being overused and losing it's meaning
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You will have to have some type of panel that makes a quick determination. Kind of like reported child abuse cases to DFACS. Hard call, ton of gray area, but it has to be done and needs to be done quickly. Ere on the side of caution.
 
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#9,882
luthervol said:
You will have to have some type of panel that makes a quick determination. Kind of like reported child abuse cases to DFACS. Hard call, ton of gray area, but it has to be done and needs to be done quickly. Ere on the side of caution.
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Sounds fair , the panel should include Drs with extensive experience in mental health . I’m thinking 6 on the panel , 3 that are gun owners / supporters of 2a and 3 of your choice . Now all you have to do is come up with a catchy name like Mental Stability Czars .
 
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0nelilreb said:
Sounds fair , the panel should include Drs with extensive experience in mental health . I’m thinking 6 on the panel , 3 that are gun owners / supporters of 2a and 3 of your choice . Now all you have to do is come up with a catchy name like Mental Stability Czars .
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If they make a mistake, they all shall be held civilly libel.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Sounds fair , the panel should include Drs with extensive experience in mental health . I’m thinking 6 on the panel , 3 that are gun owners / supporters of 2a and 3 of your choice . Now all you have to do is come up with a catchy name like Mental Stability Czars .
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I'm sold.
 
#9,886
#9,886
0nelilreb said:
Considering we don’t have a panel, I figured you’d jump on that idea just to get one installed . One bite at a time .. Amiright ?
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If that is referring to my desire to disarm dangerously unstable mentally ill people, then yes, one bite at a time.... Urright!
 
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luthervol said:
If that is referring to my desire to disarm dangerously unstable mentally ill people, then yes, one bite at a time.... Urright!
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Now all we have to do is define “ dangerously unstable “ and hope that just because society can apply that to one right doesn’t me society can apply it to all our rights . I’m positive that a government panel would or could never be politicized into doing the wrong thing for “ the good of the people “ . I could be wrong though , it’s hard to tell with those Czars .
 
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0nelilreb said:
Now all we have to do is define “ dangerously unstable “ and hope that just because society can apply that to one right doesn’t me society can apply it to all our rights . I’m positive that a government panel would or could never be politicized into doing the wrong thing for “ the good of the people “ . I could be wrong though , it’s hard to tell with those Czars .
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We trust them on when to take kids from parents, to tell one person they cannot get within 500 feet of another, to determine when an "enemy" should be shot at by an 18 year old soldier, to determine when a person deserves to be imprisoned...........I think you guys may be overreacting a tad. It's that gun lover lunacy once again rearing its ugly head.
 
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#9,889
luthervol said:
We trust them on when to take kids from parents, to tell one person they cannot get within 500 feet of another, to determine when an "enemy" should be shot at by an 18 year old soldier, to determine when a person deserves to be imprisoned...........I think you guys may be overreacting a tad. It's that gun lover lunacy once again rearing its ugly head.
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Except for the army , the rest is a result of breaking a law . You join the army as volunteer knowing you may be at war . You are talking about determining the mental status of a person to be able to take his or her rights away based on what ? Somebody calling in on you to the police and saying they don’t think you are acting , talking or standing the way you think is appropriate ? Remember the act of confiscating will take place before you are deemed worthy or not .
 
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0nelilreb said:
Except for the army , the rest is a result of breaking a law . You join the army as volunteer knowing you may be at war . You are talking about determining the mental status of a person to be able to take his or her rights away based on what ? Somebody calling in on you to the police and saying they don’t think you are acting , talking or standing the way you think is appropriate ? Remember the act of confiscating will take place before you are deemed worthy or not .
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What????
Kids are taken away from their parents without their parents being charged with anything. It's not illegal to be an unfit parent, you just can't keep your kids.
You can receive a restraining order without having been charged with any crime.
And no, I'm not speaking from experience.
 
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37L1 said:
I tip my cap to you. Much respect.

I shake my head that we have come to this.
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As do I.

- I remember when you didn't need a police officer in schools to protect the kids, or keep them in line.
- I remember when the term "Active Shooter" did not exist.
- I remember when you didn't have to keep your head on a swivel at malls, restaurants, WalMart, or anywhere in public.
- I remember when if someone shot at a cop, the end was assured, and not subject to media and DoJ scrutiny.
- I remember when you could walk downtown at night without being afraid.
- I remember when All Lives Mattered.
- I remember when the sanctity of human life meant something, to all of us. Even the thugs kept it between themselves.

Those times are gone. I'll save that rant for later, but I'll say this: I no longer have a "Condition Green". I live in "Yellow", and while it has forced me to change the way I think, move, and act, I take my oath and my vows seriously. I am not a "gun nut", a survivalist, or a prepper. I'm an American, and I love my God, my Nation, my family, and my friends. And those I am sworn to serve and protect. Your politics matter not to me; your safety does.

The "GreyWolf" nic actually came from my original shift. They teased me about how I would just "show up" when things went downhill. The "old grey wolf popping out from behind the tree." Mostly luck, but sometimes because I was listening to the radio, and knew where I was needed. I liked it, so I adopted it. In truth, I'm a sheepdog. I guard the flock against the wolves of the world.

But "GreySheepdog1129" doesn't have that same ring, so...
 
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luthervol said:
You will have to have some type of panel that makes a quick determination. Kind of like reported child abuse cases to DFACS. Hard call, ton of gray area, but it has to be done and needs to be done quickly. Ere on the side of caution.
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LOL. Thanks Mr Hitler.

Your suggestion is exactly how it starts.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Now all we have to do is define “ dangerously unstable “ and hope that just because society can apply that to one right doesn’t me society can apply it to all our rights . I’m positive that a government panel would or could never be politicized into doing the wrong thing for “ the good of the people “ . I could be wrong though , it’s hard to tell with those Czars .
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And Herr luther knows exactly what you are talking about.

Your post should be pasted to luther's forearm.
 
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luthervol said:
We trust them on when to take kids from parents, to tell one person they cannot get within 500 feet of another, to determine when an "enemy" should be shot at by an 18 year old soldier, to determine when a person deserves to be imprisoned...........I think you guys may be overreacting a tad. It's that gun lover lunacy once again rearing its ugly head.
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Nope. It is the love of the Constitution not guns there troll boy.
 
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luthervol said:
We trust them on when to take kids from parents, to tell one person they cannot get within 500 feet of another, to determine when an "enemy" should be shot at by an 18 year old soldier, to determine when a person deserves to be imprisoned...........I think you guys may be overreacting a tad. It's that gun lover lunacy once again rearing its ugly head.
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luthervol said:
Of course they shouldn't, but as we all know, mistakes happen. Innocent people have been found guilty since trials began. It's inevitable. The answer is obviously not to stop having trials.
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Trials Luther, not some unaccountable gov agency.
 
#9,897
#9,897
hog88 said:
Trials Luther, not some unaccountable gov agency.
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I already said, create panels of a few doctors.
Who decides when a child should be removed from the parents' house?
Having your kids taken is a little more severe than having your guns taken.
 
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