Gun control debate (merged)

#876
#876
82_VOL_83 said:
What is a shame is the fact that some shyster lawyer sat these people down and convinced them that they could "help" the movement by allowing him to file a lawsuit. The fact that you would defend this BS is a reflection on you and your liberal stance. If you think that you are garbage, well that is up to you. However, these people are being used and are willingly letting themselves be used for profit.
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Exactly. I feel sorry for these parents. The person that convinced them to use their children to forward an agenda is what is liberal garbage.
 
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#877
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Grand Vol said:
Before you go on an anti-gun kick you should probably be reminded that firearms manufacturers are protected from such lawsuits.

It's not a right by any means and a judge should toss it out because it's the law.
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Oh God, here comes the know-it-all gun freak who tells everybody else to provide links and then doesn't provide them himself when asked after getting called to the carpet.

By the way, they do have a right to file a lawsuit. It may get thrown out by the judge but they do have the right to do so. Do you need a link?
 
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TN Ribs said:
Oh God, here comes the know-it-all gun freak who tells everybody else to provide links and then doesn't provide them himself when asked after getting called to the carpet.

By the way, they do have a right to file a lawsuit. It may get thrown out by the judge but they do have the right to do so. Do you need a link?
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And this is why we have problems in the Civil court. Way too easy to file suit over frivolous things and things that will 100% be thrown out. Too many lawyers need a pay day.
 
#879
#879
82_VOL_83 said:
What is a shame is the fact that some shyster lawyer sat these people down and convinced them that they could "help" the movement by allowing him to file a lawsuit. The fact that you would defend this BS is a reflection on you and your liberal stance. If you think that you are garbage, well that is up to you. However, these people are being used and are willingly letting themselves be used for profit.
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Wrong, wrong, and wrong. You might want to do a little homework before you reply next time. Oh, the irony of the "moron" comment.
 
#880
#880
Sure they have a right to sue but since it's not illegal to manufacture or obtain the type of weapon they're against its just a useless frivolous lawsuit that makes them seem like liberal garbage. Since they can't blame the killer they'll look to blame somebody. They should look into the laws and having them changed if they want to make a difference instead of getting paid by a company that did nothing wrong.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Exactly. I feel sorry for these parents. The person that convinced them to use their children to forward an agenda is what is liberal garbage.
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Always the Liberals fault. Are you going to work Benghazi into your next post? Too funny.
 
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TN Ribs said:
Oh God, here comes the know-it-all gun freak who tells everybody else to provide links and then doesn't provide them himself when asked after getting called to the carpet.

By the way, they do have a right to file a lawsuit. It may get thrown out by the judge but they do have the right to do so. Do you need a link?
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Are you asking for proof? Because I will be more than happy to prove you wrong...
 
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#886
TN Ribs said:
Oh God, here comes the know-it-all gun freak who tells everybody else to provide links and then doesn't provide them himself when asked after getting called to the carpet.

By the way, they do have a right to file a lawsuit. It may get thrown out by the judge but they do have the right to do so. Do you need a link?
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Here you go slick...

15 U.S. Code Chapter 105 - PROTECTION OF LAWFUL COMMERCE IN ARMS | LII / Legal Information Institute

Now point me towards where it says anyone who files a suit against a firearms manufacturer is rightful in doing so...
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
What is a shame is the fact that some shyster lawyer sat these people down and convinced them that they could "help" the movement by allowing him to file a lawsuit. The fact that you would defend this BS is a reflection on you and your liberal stance. If you think that you are garbage, well that is up to you. However, these people are being used and are willingly letting themselves be used for profit.
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This. Wholeheartedly this.

A slick lawyer somewhere convinced this family they could win the case. Very likely knowing full well it will never see the light of day within a courtroom since, as mentioned previously, it is against US Code to file said lawsuit. And in knowing this, also knows the consultation fee and any fees associated with said case will come out of the family's wallet.

Someone made a quick buck off a family of one of the victims. Either by design or by ignorance doesn't matter. The family will be out a lot of money and get NOTHING in return.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Here you go slick...

15 U.S. Code Chapter 105 - PROTECTION OF LAWFUL COMMERCE IN ARMS | LII / Legal Information Institute

Now point me towards where it says anyone who files a suit against a firearms manufacturer is rightful in doing so...
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They filed a lawsuit and it will be heard in Superior Court in Bridgeport. What don't you understand? It might get thrown out by the judge but they filed it as they have the right to do. That's all I'm saying, stop pretending this is about something different.

There is an exception in the law that they are using as the basis of their suit. I'm sure you can find it since you have told everyone on this forum many times what an expert you are when it comes to this kind of stuff. Then again, you've had trouble providing links to your assertions in the past so maybe not. We also really enjoy hearing about all the firearms you own and you know what they say about people who constantly brag about their guns. You fit the profile to a tee and that's a bummer for you.
 
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TN Ribs said:
I never said the lawsuit was a good idea, I simply endorsed their right to file a lawsuit and I took offense to the callous insensitivity of it being called despicable and that they should be ashamed.
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Most parents will tell you their children are priceless and losing them would be the most unbearable feeling. These parents have put a dollar figure on their grief over their child. They are despicable and should be ashamed of themselves.

I should note that they're not suing the person responsible for the deaths because he's gone. They're suing a company. Because the company has money. Money is what they want.
 
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TN Ribs said:
They filed a lawsuit and it will be heard in Superior Court in Bridgeport. What don't you understand? It might get thrown out by the judge but they filed it as they have the right to do. That's all I'm saying, stop pretending this is about something different.
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The basis, which I use that term very loosely, won't stand up in court since it, again, violates the link I posted.

If they can sue a firearms manufacturer for making a weapon, they can sue Nike if they fall and break their leg. Or Ford when they get into an accident.

Stop pretending you know what you're talking about.

TN Ribs said:
We also really enjoy hearing about all the firearms you own and you know what they say about people who constantly brag about their guns. You fit the profile to a tee and that's a bummer for you.
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No, I don't know what they say about people that brag about their guns. Care to explain?
 
#891
#891
So let's look at the "facts" of this so called lawsuit...

Families of Newtown victims sue gunmaker, seller

The lawsuit contends that the AR-15 rifle Lanza used in his attack was designed to be a military weapon, had "little utility" for civil purposes and thus should not have been in Lanza's hands.
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First, the Bushmaster AR-15 was not designed as a "military weapon." The AR-15 specifically used does comply with all federal regulations set forth under the National Firearms Act of 1934 as well as the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Secondly, Lanza killed his mother and took the weapon, unlawfully mind you, from the safe to commit the act. So he committed a criminal act to obtain said weapon in the first place. Which violates this portion of 15 USC SS 7901:

(1) To prohibit causes of action against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, and importers of firearms or ammunition products, and their trade associations, for the harm solely caused by the criminal or unlawful misuse of firearm products or ammunition products by others when the product functioned as designed and intended.
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So the basis of "facts" for suing Bushmaster and the dealer are bunk. Pure bunk. Lanza obtained the weapon illegally and wasn't even the one who purchased it. Secondly, the AR-15 model that Bushmaster produces is in no way, shape or form a military class weapon (don't even get me started on the TDP specs they violate) and is entirely legal to own in it's semi-automatic form.

And while we're on the subject of general stupidity, why go after Bushmaster and the dealer? Unless Lanza clubbed a few of the victims to death, the ammunition manufacturer is just as much or more at fault than the weapon manufacturer. Because without ammo, that weapon is nothing more than aluminum, plastic and steel. How about the magazine manufacturer as well?

This will get tossed, the families will be out a lot of money and there will still be zero rectification in the process.
 
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#892
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TN Ribs said:
They filed a lawsuit and it will be heard in Superior Court in Bridgeport. What don't you understand? It might get thrown out by the judge but they filed it as they have the right to do. That's all I'm saying, stop pretending this is about something different.

There is an exception in the law that they are using as the basis of their suit. I'm sure you can find it since you have told everyone on this forum many times what an expert you are when it comes to this kind of stuff. Then again, you've had trouble providing links to your assertions in the past so maybe not. We also really enjoy hearing about all the firearms you own and you know what they say about people who constantly brag about their guns. You fit the profile to a tee and that's a bummer for you.
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Oh, and I'm still waiting on your link to prove they are rightful in filing that lawsuit...
 
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#894
TN Ribs said:
They filed a lawsuit and it will be heard in Superior Court in Bridgeport. What don't you understand? It might get thrown out by the judge but they filed it as they have the right to do. That's all I'm saying, stop pretending this is about something different.

There is an exception in the law that they are using as the basis of their suit. I'm sure you can find it since you have told everyone on this forum many times what an expert you are when it comes to this kind of stuff. Then again, you've had trouble providing links to your assertions in the past so maybe not. We also really enjoy hearing about all the firearms you own and you know what they say about people who constantly brag about their guns. You fit the profile to a tee and that's a bummer for you.
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You must not be familiar with GrandVol. He is an expert on all matters related to firearms.
 
#895
#895
Sandvol said:
You must not be familiar with GrandVol. He is an expert on all matters related to firearms.
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And apparently since I like firearms there's something wrong with me.

Not sure what though. I'm waiting for an explanation.
 
#897
#897
Sandvol said:
You must not be familiar with GrandVol. He is an expert on all matters related to firearms.
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And actually DTH knows quite a bit more about battle rifles than I do. I can name and recognize them, owned and shot quite a few, but his knowledge in that area is pretty superior to mine.
 
#898
#898
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I'm shocked every day that that my rifles and pistols haven't left my safe and started a killing spree. Horrible, wicked, contraptions.
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True...

I've got a bunch of stripped receivers in the safe and spare parts lying around. I wonder if they will pull a Transformer act and come together to go on an evil killing spree?
 
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#899
Grand Vol said:
And actually DTH knows quite a bit more about battle rifles than I do. I can name and recognize them, owned and shot quite a few, but his knowledge in that area is pretty superior to mine.
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I lose knowledge about 1965 forward. M1's and m14's I'm your guy. Far from a expert though. Lord, I hate that word.
 
#900
#900
Grand Vol said:
True...

I've got a bunch of stripped receivers in the safe and spare parts lying around. I wonder if they will pull a Transformer act and come together to go on an evil killing spree?
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But you don't have a need for a military style weapon according to them
 
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