Gun control debate (merged)

#901
#901
Grand Vol said:
True...

I've got a bunch of stripped receivers in the safe and spare parts lying around. I wonder if they will pull a Transformer act and come together to go on an evil killing spree?
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Likely, they'll force a parts kit to surrender and jump in there by force and then look out!!
 
#903
#903
Tell Me about this little jewel. I just bought one for one of my grandsons.

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If he shows interest and good gun safety I will get him a 410 next year.
 
#906
#906
Every kid should be so lucky as to start out with a Red Ryder BB gun. Great teaching tool for gun safety. Cheers gramps
 
#907
#907
Gramps said:
Tell Me about this little jewel. I just bought one for one of my grandsons.

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If he shows interest and good gun safety I will get him a 410 next year.
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Don't get me started on Red Ryder...

Bastards sold out to China.
 
#911
#911
TN Ribs said:
They filed a lawsuit and it will be heard in Superior Court in Bridgeport. What don't you understand? It might get thrown out by the judge but they filed it as they have the right to do. That's all I'm saying, stop pretending this is about something different.

There is an exception in the law that they are using as the basis of their suit. I'm sure you can find it since you have told everyone on this forum many times what an expert you are when it comes to this kind of stuff. Then again, you've had trouble providing links to your assertions in the past so maybe not. We also really enjoy hearing about all the firearms you own and you know what they say about people who constantly brag about their guns. You fit the profile to a tee and that's a bummer for you.
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If you actually believe half the crap you spew, I kind of feel sorry for you really. Damned if I can't believe half the garbage I read here by some posters here myself.
 
#912
#912
Grand Vol said:
So let's look at the "facts" of this so called lawsuit...

Families of Newtown victims sue gunmaker, seller



First, the Bushmaster AR-15 was not designed as a "military weapon." The AR-15 specifically used does comply with all federal regulations set forth under the National Firearms Act of 1934 as well as the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Secondly, Lanza killed his mother and took the weapon, unlawfully mind you, from the safe to commit the act. So he committed a criminal act to obtain said weapon in the first place. Which violates this portion of 15 USC SS 7901:



So the basis of "facts" for suing Bushmaster and the dealer are bunk. Pure bunk. Lanza obtained the weapon illegally and wasn't even the one who purchased it. Secondly, the AR-15 model that Bushmaster produces is in no way, shape or form a military class weapon (don't even get me started on the TDP specs they violate) and is entirely legal to own in it's semi-automatic form.

And while we're on the subject of general stupidity, why go after Bushmaster and the dealer? Unless Lanza clubbed a few of the victims to death, the ammunition manufacturer is just as much or more at fault than the weapon manufacturer. Because without ammo, that weapon is nothing more than aluminum, plastic and steel. How about the magazine manufacturer as well?

This will get tossed, the families will be out a lot of money and there will still be zero rectification in the process.
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Maybe it does get tossed, I never said it was a good idea to sue or that I agreed that they should sue the manufacturer. You can go ahead and cite all the legal mumbo jumbo you want but it doesn't change the fact that they filed a lawsuit as is their right (whether it gets tossed or not). You seem to be hung up on the word "right". They chose to file, so be it, if a judge decides there is no basis to the lawsuit, fine.

Quite frankly, I agree with the law. If they found a clause - "negligent entrustment" - that they feels merits a lawsuit, fine, let the judge decide if their suit has merit.

The mob mentality on this forum takes over and everyone assumes I'm hoping they bankrupt the gun manufacturer. This entire thing started because I took exception to someone who decided he knew how the victims families felt and that they were despicable for filing the suit, I happen to disagree with that person 100%. Then the Fox News robots took over and piled on because they decided I'm a Liberal and Liberals can only be despised on this forum - dissenting opinions are not allowed here.

Cool?
 
#913
#913
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Yeah, but it's still a right of passage. Next would be the beloved ruger 10/22.

Ruger is making that sweet takedown model regularly now too.
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It is a right of passage, but it's also a piece of Americana that should be produced here.

It's not like there isn't a market for it.
 
#916
#916
TN Ribs said:
Maybe it does get tossed, I never said it was a good idea to sue or that I agreed that they should sue the manufacturer. You can go ahead and cite all the legal mumbo jumbo you want but it doesn't change the fact that they filed a lawsuit as is their right (whether it gets tossed or not). You seem to be hung up on the word "right". They chose to file, so be it, if a judge decides there is no basis to the lawsuit, fine.

Quite frankly, I agree with the law. If they found a clause - "negligent entrustment" - that they feels merits a lawsuit, fine, let the judge decide if their suit has merit.

The mob mentality on this forum takes over and everyone assumes I'm hoping they bankrupt the gun manufacturer. This entire thing started because I took exception to someone who decided he knew how the victims families felt and that they were despicable for filing the suit, I happen to disagree with that person 100%. Then the Fox News robots took over and piled on because they decided I'm a Liberal and Liberals can only be despised on this forum - dissenting opinions are not allowed here.

Cool?
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I would have thought it was exactly the "legal mumbo jumbo" that is most relevant when discussing the validity of a lawsuit. So if the mumbo jumbo pretty much means it's a crap lawsuit then...

...isn't the filing of a crap lawsuit something worthy of ridiculing? I get the idea that it's distasteful to cast derision on the parents of murdered children but try to look for a moment at the actual claim; what if, in fact, we're talking about people that are literally trying to cash in on the death of their children? Wouldn't you find that pretty "despicable"?
 
#917
#917
Gramps said:
Tell Me about this little jewel. I just bought one for one of my grandsons.

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If he shows interest and good gun safety I will get him a 410 next year.
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Do the Hunter's Safety Course with him. You'll both enjoy it.
 
#919
#919
TN Ribs said:
I never said the lawsuit was a good idea, I simply endorsed their right to file a lawsuit and I took offense to the callous insensitivity of it being called despicable and that they should be ashamed.
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It is despicable. Their lawyer should be even more ashamed, but most lawyers have no conscious to begin with so I am not surprised there. If they truly wanted "respect" they should file an altruistic lawsuit that seeks no monetary compensation, but rather to shut down the rifle manufacturer or whatever their goal would be. Since they are seeking monetary damages... I have no sympathy for their cause, or their reasons for it. THEY went public with this, and should expect the criticism that comes with it. If they don't want that, they should stfu and grieve in private.
 
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#920
#920
TN Ribs said:
Oh God, here comes the know-it-all gun freak who tells everybody else to provide links and then doesn't provide them himself when asked after getting called to the carpet.

By the way, they do have a right to file a lawsuit. It may get thrown out by the judge but they do have the right to do so. Do you need a link?
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"gun freak". Speaks volumes.

You have no credibility in your argument because you are coming from a completely emotional stance.
 
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#921
#921
Grand Vol said:
True...

I've got a bunch of stripped receivers in the safe and spare parts lying around. I wonder if they will pull a Transformer act and come together to go on an evil killing spree?
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When SkyNet becomes self aware... just you wait.
 
#923
#923
Grand Vol said:
True...

I've got a bunch of stripped receivers in the safe and spare parts lying around. I wonder if they will pull a Transformer act and come together to go on an evil killing spree?
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If be afraid to own a 3D printer and a schematic for a gun for that very reason. The thing might print itself and kill me in my sleep!
 
#924
#924
CNCVol88 said:
If be afraid to own a 3D printer and a schematic for a gun for that very reason. The thing might print itself and kill me in my sleep!
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Which does bring up a side note for the whole gun control argument...

I know it's been tossed around, but when are liberals going to get serious about restricting 3D printers? Because you know it's coming.
 
#925
#925
U.S. Appeals Court Expands Gun Rights - WSJ

In the first legal ruling of its type, a federal appeals court in Cincinnati on Thursday deemed unconstitutional a federal law that kept a Michigan man who was briefly committed to a mental institution decades ago from owning a gun.

A three-judge panel of the Sixth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously ruled that the federal ban on gun ownership for anyone who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution” violated the Second Amendment rights of Clifford Charles Tyler, a 73-year-old Hillsdale County man.
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And cue the liberal meltdown in 3...2...1...
 
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