Gun control debate (merged)

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lawgator1 said:
Lol, nice try. Back to let's have more mental health care. Come on, stick to the point. Every regulation is opposed ferociously. They will never, ever, ever, agree to any restriction on guns, no matter what it is.
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And again, this is why you fail. You and the people that think like you do cannot broaden their outlook on this enough to see that guns aren't the only problem. When you narrow your focus, you lose.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Can you be more specific? Cultural issues?
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lawgator1 said:
Lol, nice try. Back to let's have more mental health care. Come on, stick to the point. Every regulation is opposed ferociously. They will never, ever, ever, agree to any restriction on guns, no matter what it is.
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Sure it is and as it should. Most people understand if your side had it your way, guns would be banned.

Same trajectory as where health care will go. What started as "how can you argue with common sense measures to insure the poor" was nothing more than a starting point to single payer.

It's a fraud that only naive people bite on. And those who find it politically expedient.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm not sure how that proves we don't need to drastically restrict gun possession. Gun violence is an epidemic in this country. Just wish some one would stand up to the NRA and make some real inroads on this problem.
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Didn't this happen in a state with restricted gun possession?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Didn't this happen in a state with restricted gun possession?
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh, we aren't talking about facts.

May issue CCW State, magazine restrictions, full FFL transfer of any firearms and the weapon you want has to be on an approved listing by the State.

But since we aren't talking about facts, I'll stop there.
 
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#VFL__ said:
LG, you want to BAN guns??
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I don't think that is realistic, but I do think that some major restrictions on ownership, storage, and creating substantial incentives to responsible ownership are in order. Exact form of that is subject of reasonable debate.
 
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Too bad his father was a liberal Hollywood metrosexual. There was a time in America when a father would have stopped funding his drugs and BMW and acted like a man. Instead he calls first the police, then his lawyer and blames inanimate objects for the behavior of his lunatic off spring.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think that is realistic, but I do think that some major restrictions on ownership, storage, and creating substantial incentives to responsible ownership are in order. Exact form of that is subject of reasonable debate.
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And how would that have stopped these killings?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think that is realistic, but I do think that some major restrictions on ownership, storage, and creating substantial incentives to responsible ownership are in order. Exact form of that is subject of reasonable debate.
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So, how much more restrictive than California or New York would you have it?
 
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volmaverick said:
And how would that have stopped these killings?
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Without knowing precise means by which he obtained so many guns and hundreds if not thousands of rounds, it's not possible to say. I wonder if he bought the guns from a licensed dealer, for starters. Would like to know the history of each gun.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Without knowing precise means by which he obtained so many guns and hundreds if not thousands of rounds, it's not possible to say. I wonder if he bought the guns from a licensed dealer, for starters. Would like to know the history of each gun.
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Nor knowing any of that, you've spoken pretty confidently on the subject so far.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Nor knowing any of that, you've spoken pretty confidently on the subject so far.
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As a general proposition, yes. As to specifics I've already suggested that gun ownership ought to be conditioned on the purchase of insurance for the gun should it be used to injure someone, or b stolen and used in a crime. The societal cost of such incidents should be placed on those who choose to own a firearm.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As a general proposition, yes. As to specifics I've already suggested that gun ownership ought to be conditioned on the purchase of insurance for the gun should it be used to injure someone, or b stolen and used in a crime. The societal cost of such incidents should be placed on those who choose to own a firearm.
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No. The cost should be placed on, you know, the criminal who committed the crime.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The mental health angle is no solution. It's too speculative to suggest we can identify the high risk people and sedate them. That's not possible.

Work with the NRA and groups like them? How, when they want broader access to guns than is already the situation? And in case you hadn't noticed, they tend to be inextricably linked with some unsavory if not unsettling agendas in other areas.

The NRA is not to be negotiated with. They are to be run over, if you want anything done.
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You might as well hang it up then.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As a general proposition, yes. As to specifics I've already suggested that gun ownership ought to be conditioned on the purchase of insurance for the gun should it be used to injure someone, or b stolen and used in a crime. The societal cost of such incidents should be placed on those who choose to own a firearm.
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So the $ is actually more important than the dead people.

Brilliance
 
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#300
Can't ban guns from the public. Only lunatics & liberals actually believe that criminals obey the law....these are the same lunatics that believe that drug laws prevent people from using drugs. I guess we should ban knives too since this was used in the killings of three people. As we conservatives know it's the PERSON & not the WEAPON.
 
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