Gun control debate (merged)

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#251
lawgator1 said:
I'm not sure how that proves we don't need to drastically restrict gun possession. Gun violence is an epidemic in this country. Just wish some one would stand up to the NRA and make some real inroads on this problem.
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Honest question..what would you propose? I'm not a gun owner so I don't really care one way or the other.
 
#253
#253
lawgator1 said:
I'm not sure how that proves we don't need to drastically restrict gun possession. Gun violence is an epidemic in this country. Just wish some one would stand up to the NRA and make some real inroads on this problem.
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How about starting w/Hollywood & the motion picture industry to stop making violent films & having them glorify the gun violence in movies. How about start w/the rap-hip-hop music industry that will glorify the violence in it's songs & or music. Why not start there instead of making the NRA a target all the time. I think it's a combination of all kinds of madness & hate in the country. We could also start blaming liberals for all this madness too w/their stupid agendas that they put forth into law that drives people crazy.
 
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#254
As with healthcare, let's pretend there is this huge problem although there isn't, so we can get government more involved.
 
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All joking aside, dallasmp sounds eerily similar to the douche that went on the shooting spree.

He knows he is awesome, but just can't get others to see it.
 
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allvol123 said:
All joking aside, dallasmp sounds eerily similar to the douche that went on the shooting spree.

He knows he is awesome, but just can't get others to see it.
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Not gonna lie..I drew that conclusion when I was watching the videos of that kid. I was like "so that's what its like to think like Notabed/Dallasmp"..Ill pass on driving a BMW, looking like a thai lady boy, and jamming to Whitney Houston and thinking $300 glasses get girls..
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Not gonna lie..I drew that conclusion when I was watching the videos of that kid. I was like "so that's what its like to think like Notabed/Dallasmp"..Ill pass on driving a BMW, looking like a thai lady boy, and jamming to Whitney Houston and thinking $300 glasses get girls..
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Thai lady boy, that is hilarious.

We should let dallasmp continue to post. Not good for people like him keep that rage pent up.
 
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#264
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lawgator1 said:
I don't understand the derail. Must have missed some earlier drama.
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Here's the deal though. Having a rational debate on gun control and gun violence means everything is put on the table in a rational manner and discussed rationally as well. It does NOT help the left when their first impulse starts with the letter B and ends in an.

And don't blame the NRA.

Simply put, if the voters in this country decide that we need stricter gun control, then they will push for it. But the tactics used by both sides after Sandy Hook left much to be desired. The left automatically pushed for a ban on anything scary, the NRA pushed back. You cannot have a reasonable debate on the matter when you have twits like Feinstein (kind of a stretch, I'll explain if you like), de Leon, Biden, Lautenberg and McCarthy spouting off ban this and ban that without even having the knowledge of what they are banning.

If you want to have significant progress in the gun control arena, try sticking to facts. That's what the NRA did in the aftermath of Sandy Hook.
 
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I agree that there is always a knee jerk reaction by the left, followed by a harsh push back by the right. And it may be that it is too late to do anything, that the genie is too far out of the bottle.
 
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#266
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lawgator1 said:
I agree that there is always a knee jerk reaction by the left, followed by a harsh push back by the right. And it may be that it is too late to do anything, that the genie is too far out of the bottle.
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The problem is they (liberals) aren't changing their playbook. A shooting happens, be it Sandy Hook (which should have been their coup de grâce) or even in this latest shooting they will go after unrelated areas like high capacity magazines or modern sporting rifles. And show the intent of their true colors of banning entire classes regardless if they were used or not. So instead of going after the root causes (in this case the less than stellar response by the police and the mental health failing) they will stand yet again on "ban and restrict!" And fail, yet again.

The mental health issue is one that needs addressing. And one that was brought forward and supported by the NRA. Unfortunately, the left decided since the NRA thought of it first, it was automatically "bad." And the left leaning media portrayed the NRA as not backing the legislation they supported by distorting the facts. Any time you have riders in the bill that call for other things besides the original intent like the Manchin-Toomey bill, you're going to get push back.

If they left would just stop for a moment and attempt to work with Pro-2A groups like the NRA and GOA without uttering the word ban or putting in hidden language in their bills they might get a bit more headway. And stop standing on the still warm bodies of victims to proclaim their political agenda. And get educated in the facts about firearms. And actually have a reasonable debate with common sense (not Obama's common sense either) goals in mind. And actually stop demonizing groups like the NRA that actually stand for the lawful and safe use of firearms and teach same.

Maybe we could get somewhere.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The problem is they (liberals) aren't changing their playbook. A shooting happens, be it Sandy Hook (which should have been their coup de grâce) or even in this latest shooting they will go after unrelated areas like high capacity magazines or modern sporting rifles. And show the intent of their true colors of banning entire classes regardless if they were used or not. So instead of going after the root causes (in this case the less than stellar response by the police and the mental health failing) they will stand yet again on "ban and restrict!" And fail, yet again.

The mental health issue is one that needs addressing. And one that was brought forward and supported by the NRA. Unfortunately, the left decided since the NRA thought of it first, it was automatically "bad." And the left leaning media portrayed the NRA as not backing the legislation they supported by distorting the facts. Any time you have riders in the bill that call for other things besides the original intent like the Manchin-Toomey bill, you're going to get push back.

If they left would just stop for a moment and attempt to work with Pro-2A groups like the NRA and GOA without uttering the word ban or putting in hidden language in their bills they might get a bit more headway. And stop standing on the still warm bodies of victims to proclaim their political agenda. And get educated in the facts about firearms. And actually have a reasonable debate with common sense (not Obama's common sense either) goals in mind. And actually stop demonizing groups like the NRA that actually stand for the lawful and safe use of firearms and teach same.

Maybe we could get somewhere.
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The mental health angle is no solution. It's too speculative to suggest we can identify the high risk people and sedate them. That's not possible.

Work with the NRA and groups like them? How, when they want broader access to guns than is already the situation? And in case you hadn't noticed, they tend to be inextricably linked with some unsavory if not unsettling agendas in other areas.

The NRA is not to be negotiated with. They are to be run over, if you want anything done.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The mental health angle is no solution. It's too speculative to suggest we can identify the high risk people and sedate them. That's not possible.

Work with the NRA and groups like them? How, when they want broader access to guns than is already the situation? And in case you hadn't noticed, they tend to be inextricably linked with some unsavory if not unsettling agendas in other areas.

The NRA is not to be negotiated with. They are to be run over, if you want anything done.
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And this is why your side of the debate fails...
 
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lawgator1 said:
The mental health angle is no solution. It's too speculative to suggest we can identify the high risk people and sedate them. That's not possible.

Work with the NRA and groups like them? How, when they want broader access to guns than is already the situation? And in case you hadn't noticed, they tend to be inextricably linked with some unsavory if not unsettling agendas in other areas.

The NRA is not to be negotiated with. They are to be run over, if you want anything done.
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Want to stop gun violence? Let me direct you to an old Dead Kennedys song..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I
 
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Grand Vol said:
And this is why your side of the debate fails...
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If the NRA would ever not fight to the death on even the most imperceptible restrictions you'd have a point. But fact is, the NRA leadership make a fortune for themselves convincing their membership to oppose everything, regardless of how much sense it makes, based on a specious slippery slope theory.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If the NRA would ever not fight to the death on even the most imperceptible restrictions you'd have a point. But fact is, the NRA leadership make a fortune for themselves convincing their membership to oppose everything, regardless of how much sense it makes, based on a specious slippery slope theory.
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Did you miss where they wanted the mental health issue addressed post Sandy Hook? I posted a link for you a couple of pages back. Or are we ignoring facts yet again?

Point is, this kid in California was identified in advance. Had police interest in advance. So would you consider this person to be one you would entrust to own firearms especially after seeing what the concern was?

And that whole slippery slope issue isn't speculative when it happens to be the agenda. If your side of the debate would stop trying to include hidden language in bills and actually have a reasonable discourse, the chances of the NRA fighting it to death wouldn't be needed. I'm opposed to most gun control legislation because it simply doesn't work and doesn't get to the root problems. And the fact that as soon as someone takes an inch from the left, they will go the proverbial country mile.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Did you miss where they wanted the mental health issue addressed post Sandy Hook? I posted a link for you a couple of pages back. Or are we ignoring facts yet again?

Point is, this kid in California was identified in advance. Had police interest in advance. So would you consider this person to be one you would entrust to own firearms especially after seeing what the concern was?

And that whole slippery slope issue isn't speculative when it happens to be the agenda. If your side of the debate would stop trying to include hidden language in bills and actually have a reasonable discourse, the chances of the NRA fighting it to death wouldn't be needed. I'm opposed to most gun control legislation because it simply doesn't work and doesn't get to the root problems. And the fact that as soon as someone takes an inch from the left, they will go the proverbial country mile.
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Lol, nice try. Back to let's have more mental health care. Come on, stick to the point. Every regulation is opposed ferociously. They will never, ever, ever, agree to any restriction on guns, no matter what it is.
 
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