Greenland

[GroverCleveland]

https://www.infowars.com/posts/step...e-greenland-wouldnt-even-have-to-fight-for-it
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5674507-stephen-miller-trump-greenland/


Close, Stephen Miller.

Someone needs to tell Stephen just because a thought pops into one's head does not mean it has to be spoken aloud.

Of course, we have the most transparent administration ever. If you want to know what they're thinking, just ask them.

 

[GroverCleveland]

And their sneaky f***ers.

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If I were younger and single, I'd probably espouse more liberal talking points, you know, at night in bars...

 

[LSU-SIU]

Someone needs to tell Stephen just because a thought pops into one's head does not mean it has to be spoken aloud.

Of course, we have the most transparent administration ever. If you want to know what they're thinking, just ask them.

I keep telling people, are you sure you want the truth?

Americans are getting an up close view of American policy for the last 50-60 years, they're just not doing it in the shadows.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Why, yes!

TDS 24/7 = "Common Sense"

Check into it sometime, Sport.

Ugh no. I've been listening to the Progressive channel on Sirius for laughs. Common sense is figuratively no where within 1000 miles of those TDS morons. They are insane.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Say it ain't so! A politician in Washington putting their financial best interest in front of the country's?

"I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here."

Nice, dumbed downed rationalization

 

[MontyPython]

“Nobody’s going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland,” Miller added. Days earlier, Trump said we “need Greenland from the standpoint of national security, and Denmark is not gonna be able to do it.”

Is this what you want MAGA backers? You better know that guys like me will be standing in front of the train and we'll go down swinging hard.

Attack on an ally. The end of NATO.

Over my dead body.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

You're using Trump as a source?

 

[LSU-SIU]

“Nobody’s going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland,” Miller added. Days earlier, Trump said we “need Greenland from the standpoint of national security, and Denmark is not gonna be able to do it.”

Is this what you want MAGA backers? You better know that guys like me will be standing in front of the train and we'll go down swinging hard.

Attack on an ally. The end of NATO.

Over my dead body.

Well, he is right, the U.S. can just walk right on in and probably anyone else.

The end of NATO.

As a generalization, its the end of Europe in its present form. (give it a little more time)

Starmer won't be drawn on whether US strikes on Venezuela broke international law

Starmer won't be drawn on whether US strikes on Venezuela broke international law​

You were informed quite a few times in the Ukraine thread.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Nice, dumbed downed rationalization

No it is not. It is pointed straight at the hypocrites screaming that Trump is only out to make money for himself while they blatantly ignored everyone else we know have been doing it.

He's obviously selling watches and other stuff I assume. I wouldn't give $10 for one of them. But we do know he gives his salary right back to the government. Do you know another member of the government that does that? Any Democrats?

Yeah, let's stone Trump. I suspect if he was on the take, he'd probably tell everyone, which is at least a step above everyone else. Keep trying. You'll get him.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

No it is not. It is pointed straight at the hypocrites screaming that Trump is only out to make money for himself while they blatantly ignored everyone else we know have been doing it.

He's obviously selling watches and other stuff I assume. I wouldn't give $10 for one of them. But we do know he gives his salary right back to the government. Do you know another member of the government that does that? Any Democrats?

Yeah, let's stone Trump. I suspect if he was on the take, he'd probably tell everyone, which is at least a step above everyone else. Keep trying. You'll get him.

We don't need to stone him, Dude. He's made more money as POTUS in this term than he ever has in his life, even after a 9 figure inheritance. He's doing it because he is POTUS. He ain't doing it with speaking engagements and book deals. The scale of it isn't comparable with other Presidents. Your comparison is dumb AF.

 

[BowlBrother85]

if you are now concerned about the country being broke, then you would be in favor of addressing those things that are breaking the country as all these socialists programs from social security, medicare/medicare. SNAP. gov't house, child care and all the hundreds billions of fraud associated with them, right?

The reason for Greenland are strategically important to the security of the country first and foremost. In the process Trump's plan allows for them to continue to be self-governed and would do more good for them than Denmark ever has.

So are you for what is important for the US or do you want the US to allow itself to vulnerable to China, Russia et al?

You are only against this because Trump is for it.

That is ridiculous.

The threats of military action are reckless, and it has not been explained why the current arrangement is insufficient for the security of the country. You are just parroting Trump and Stephen Miller .... who is cartoonish.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

If democrats are against it you know its best to do the opposite from their lunacy policies.

 

[n_huffhines]

Sabre Rattling normally mean threatening force with no intentions of using it.

No it doesn't mean that at all. It's what they used to do before charging back in the day. It was not a fake threat then and it doesn't mean that now

 

[n_huffhines]

He's obviously selling watches and other stuff I assume. I wouldn't give $10 for one of them. But we do know he gives his salary right back to the government. Do you know another member of the government that does that? Any Democrats?

Yeah, let's stone Trump. I suspect if he was on the take, he'd probably tell everyone, which is at least a step above everyone else. Keep trying. You'll get him.

Holy ****, it does work on people.

He and his pals can manipulate the market to make billions and you're wowed by him giving back a few hundred thousand dollars.

 

[BowlBrother85]

“Nobody’s going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland,” Miller added. Days earlier, Trump said we “need Greenland from the standpoint of national security, and Denmark is not gonna be able to do it.”

Is this what you want MAGA backers? You better know that guys like me will be standing in front of the train and we'll go down swinging hard.

Attack on an ally. The end of NATO.

Over my dead body.

Stephen Miller's logic is reckless as hell. Seizing Greenland absolutely would end NATO .... and when is someone in the Trump administration going to explain why the current arrangement that the United States has in Greenland is insufficient for national security?

 

[EasternVol]

you did not deal with Canada. Canada claims all of the NWP is in its territory so it can control the NWP. But you said the NWP was international. Why should the US ask Canadian consent to send ice breakers through the NWP if it's international waters as you claimed?

I am for Trump in his deal with Greenland and doing all he can to kick out and keep out Russia/China/any US enemies of the US out of the Western hemisphere completely.

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AI Overview

"Yes, the U.S. has historically asked Canada for consent to send icebreakers through the Northwest Passage (NWP) under a pragmatic 1988 Arctic Cooperation Agreement, which acknowledges Canada's claim of sovereignty while the U.S. maintains it's international waters, allowing cooperation on research transits without formally conceding its legal position. This approach, established after the 1985 Polar Sea incident, involves the U.S. seeking permission for its icebreakers, a move that respects Canadian sovereignty while preserving U.S. arguments about the NWP being an international strait."

You need to be more accurate as to what other posters say or don't say. Greenland is not Canada. Canada and the NWP is irrelevant.

 

[EasternVol]

you just don't like Trump

What's there to like?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Stephen Miller's logic is reckless as hell. Seizing Greenland absolutely would end NATO .... and when is someone in the Trump administration going to explain why the current arrangement that the United States has in Greenland is insufficient for national security?

NATO is a figment of your imagination. The U.S. military could march right into Paris, you know what would happen? Nothing. Now imagine, that France would do whatever that Orange man wants without any troops at all.

Most of the countries of Europe are basically toast.

 

[LSU-SIU]

No it doesn't mean that at all. It's what they used to do before charging back in the day. It was not a fake threat then and it doesn't mean that now

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You are very confused, most countries will bend the knee without sabre-rattling - just cut them off from the global financial system for a few weeks to think about it.

 

[EasternVol]

GROK:



No, the claim that "Greenland has never held vital military importance" is incorrect. Greenland has been strategically vital for military purposes since at least World War II, and its importance has persisted through the Cold War and into the present day, primarily due to its unique geographic position in the Arctic—bridging North America, Europe, and the polar routes.

World War II (1939–1945)

When Nazi Germany occupied Denmark in April 1940, Greenland (a Danish territory) became vulnerable. The Allies feared Germany could use it as a base for attacks on North America (e.g., via bombers or submarines targeting Washington, D.C.) or to disrupt Atlantic shipping. Greenland's cryolite mine at Ivittuut was the world's primary source of this mineral, essential for aluminum production in Allied aircraft.

• The U.S. signed a 1941 "Defense of Greenland" agreement with the Danish ambassador (without full Danish government approval), allowing American bases, airfields, harbors, and weather stations.
• Greenland served as a key refueling stop for transatlantic flights ferrying aircraft to Europe and hosted weather stations critical for forecasting in the North Atlantic and Europe (vital for operations like D-Day).
• A "weather war" unfolded, with Germany attempting secret stations on the east coast; the Allies (including the Northeast Greenland Sledge Patrol) countered them to maintain meteorological superiority.

Without Allied control, German occupation could have severely hampered transatlantic supply lines and weather intelligence, worsening Britain's position in the Battle of the Atlantic.Cold War Era (1947–1991)Post-WWII, the U.S. viewed Greenland as "indispensable to the safety of the United States" (per 1946 State Department assessments). It became a midpoint for potential nuclear exchanges with the Soviet Union.

• The 1951 Greenland Defense Agreement (within NATO) allowed permanent U.S. bases.
• Thule Air Base (now Pituffik Space Base), built secretly in the early 1950s under Operation Blue Jay, hosted Strategic Air Command bombers (e.g., B-47s) as a dispersal/refueling point for strikes over the Arctic, reducing Soviet early warning time.
• It anchored the GIUK Gap (Greenland-Iceland-UK) for tracking Soviet submarines.
• The base housed the Ballistic Missile Early Warning System (BMEWS) from 1960, providing 15–30 minutes' notice of ICBM launches.
• At its peak, Thule supported ~10,000 personnel and nuclear-capable assets.

Greenland was central to U.S. nuclear deterrence and defense against Soviet bombers/missiles.Current Significance (as of January 2026)With Arctic ice melting, new shipping routes (e.g., Northwest and Northeast Passages) and resource access have emerged, heightening competition from Russia (remilitarizing the Arctic) and China (seeking influence via investments).

• Pituffik Space Base remains the U.S.'s northernmost installation, hosting the 12th Space Warning Squadron for missile early warning (feeding NORAD) and space surveillance/satellite control.
• It's key for monitoring polar missile/submarine threats and Arctic domain awareness.
• Under the 1951 agreement (updated 2004), the U.S. maintains a presence while respecting Danish sovereignty; Denmark's defense (via Joint Arctic Command) focuses on sovereignty patrols, search-and-rescue, and environmental protection, with U.S. cooperation.

Recent U.S. interest (e.g., repeated statements emphasizing "national security" needs amid Russia/China activities) underscores its ongoing vital role, though Denmark and Greenland firmly reject any takeover, warning it could threaten NATO.

In summary, Greenland's military importance stems from its location for early warning, basing, weather intelligence, and Arctic control—making it strategically critical across multiple eras, not "never" vital.

So we've done fine with the current sovereign.

 

[BowlBrother85]

you did not deal with Canada. Canada claims all of the NWP is in its territory so it can control the NWP. But you said the NWP was international. Why should the US ask Canadian consent to send ice breakers through the NWP if it's international waters as you claimed?

I am for Trump in his deal with Greenland and doing all he can to kick out and keep out Russia/China/any US enemies of the US out of the Western hemisphere completely.

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AI Overview

"Yes, the U.S. has historically asked Canada for consent to send icebreakers through the Northwest Passage (NWP) under a pragmatic 1988 Arctic Cooperation Agreement, which acknowledges Canada's claim of sovereignty while the U.S. maintains it's international waters, allowing cooperation on research transits without formally conceding its legal position. This approach, established after the 1985 Polar Sea incident, involves the U.S. seeking permission for its icebreakers, a move that respects Canadian sovereignty while preserving U.S. arguments about the NWP being an international strait."

Per the 1951 Greenland Defense Agreement, the United States is allowed to keep its military base in Greenland and allowed to establish new bases or "defense areas" if deemed necessary by NATO, but the United States is not to infringe upon Danish sovereignty in Greenland.

Can you explain why this existing 75 year old agreement with an ally, should now be considered insufficient for the national security of the United States? The United States already has almost unlimited access to defense facilities in Greenland.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Per the 1951 Greenland Defense Agreement, the United States is allowed to keep its military base in Greenland and allowed to establish new bases or "defense areas" if deemed necessary by NATO, but the United States is not to infringe upon Danish sovereignty in Greenland.

Can you explain why this existing 75 year old agreement with an ally, should now be considered insufficient for the national security of the United States? The United States already has almost unlimited access to defense facilities in Greenland.

Because they (or he) feel like it can still be accessed, annexed or purchased.

 

[RavinDave]

MGGA

 

[BowlBrother85]

Because they (or he) feel like it can still be accessed, annexed or purchased.

That doesn't answer my question.

Why is the current agreement insufficient for purposes of United States national security?

Nobody is denying that Greenland is important for our national security .... but why is the current arrangement not good enough? The United States already has the power to establish new bases, if needed, and nearly unlimited access to defense facilities.

 

[LSU-SIU]

MGGA

OrangeLand.