Good thread from UF message board

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lawgator1 said:
The question is pointless because a) Tebow is the QB; and b) if Tebow was not the QB we'd have an entirely different offensive scheme to match the skills of a Brantley or someone else.
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I could be completely wrong, but I believe Meyer has recruited and built your roster to completely fit this "Tebow" style offense.. I don't see a true running back or QB on your roster that will keep anyone honest with their ability to scramble if needed.. Tebow is a different animal, but I don't think Brantley would be able to manage a game the same way after some of the hits Tebow was taking
 
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lawgator1 said:
Of course. And you do understand the problem inherent in even speculating in the first place, right?
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I do.

I speculate that Brantley at the helm loses Saturday's game. That game showed what Tebow means to Meyer's offense. He gets replaced, or the problems with tiny RBs and limited outside weapons begin to look enormous.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I do.

I speculate that Brantley at the helm loses Saturday's game. That game showed what Tebow means to Meyer's offense. He gets replaced, or the problems with tiny RBs and limited outside weapons begin to look enormous.
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UF doesn't score one touchdown without tebow Saturday.. or atleast he was the sole reason on each score they had
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I do.

I speculate that Brantley at the helm loses Saturday's game. That game showed what Tebow means to Meyer's offense. He gets replaced, or the problems with tiny RBs and limited outside weapons begin to look enormous.
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Even if you were correct, which is entirely speculative, its irrelevaqnt because Tebow is the QB and was there.

These kinds of questions always irk me because they seem an attempt to be derisive of a team because it has some or even one really good player. What if UT doesn't have Tee Martin? What if Auburn didn't have Bo Jackson? What if Georgia didn't have Herschel Walker?

Just because Tebow again and again picks that team up and carries them to victory over and over doesn't mean that the team's accomplishments are any less. If it did, all we would keep track of is individual stats and wins and losses would be irrelevant.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Even if you were correct, which is entirely speculative, its irrelevaqnt because Tebow is the QB and was there.

These kinds of questions always irk me because they seem an attempt to be derisive of a team because it has some or even one really good player. What if UT doesn't have Tee Martin? What if Auburn didn't have Bo Jackson? What if Georgia didn't have Herschel Walker?
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but the question was about this team after Tebow. Maybe you'll recall that all of those other teams fell off without a transcendent player.

It is speculative, but UF as built today, has to have him pick up those 4 yard 3d downs and needs the threat of his run to make room for the tiny guys running the trap.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Even if you were correct, which is entirely speculative, its irrelevaqnt because Tebow is the QB and was there.

These kinds of questions always irk me because they seem an attempt to be derisive of a team because it has some or even one really good player. What if UT doesn't have Tee Martin? What if Auburn didn't have Bo Jackson? What if Georgia didn't have Herschel Walker?

Just because Tebow again and again picks that team up and carries them to victory over and over doesn't mean that the team's accomplishments are any less. If it did, all we would keep track of is individual stats and wins and losses would be irrelevant.
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It does, just as Herschel and Bo brought greatness to good teams. Tee Martin was good but he was in no way the reason the 98' team was great.

And you argument can be applied to Florida fans complaining about the Tebow fumble. "It would have been 30-6 or worse if it weren't for the fumble."
 
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hixsonvol said:
Congrats on the win Gators.

My thoughts after the game...

1. Despite your defensive stats of last year and this year, Florida's D looked very porous. We were one dimensional and still were able to move the ball and get first downs. I really thought your D would look better this year than last but it just didn't seem as strong.

2. We've got a ways to go. Until Crompton gets some confidence back and CLK gets confidence in Crompton, we could be in for a rough time offensively. After Saturday's game, I think teams will find a way to stop our run unless we can have a little more effective passing attack. Let's hope we can get that right against Ohio. As valiant as the effort was at every position yesterday, the QB position will nag us all year probably. If we go 7 and 5, I'll be very happy and CLK will have earned his pay this year given what he had to work with. I have no doubt though that these guys are well coached and more prepared than they have been in recent years.

3. Florida losses 2 SEC games this year. If Saturday was any preview of UF's SEC play, GA will eat them alive and pay CUM back for the timeouts last year, payback's a *****. I think they also lose to any team with any ressemblance of a 2 dimensional attack. On offense, Florida misses Harvin more than most realize. Without the deep threat, teams are going to be able to slow them down and outscore them.

4. As much as I hate to say it, Tebow for what he does and how he does it and the intangibles he has, may be the best college player I've ever seen. I'll be glad to see him gone!

Great job Vols. I felt very proud watching you Saturday and I really look forward to next year.

Oh and Kiffin pwnd (that's a slang word by the way)the world when he told Wolfson after the game that he couldn't hear her because the band was playing Rocky Top. That was the equivalent of giving the media the finger and I will love him forever for it.
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I thought that I was the only one that caught that message. Very slick on CLK's part.
Go VOLS!
 
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getyopopcornready said:
Ok I'll give them that, but we could also make a very solid argument that if two plays would have gone our way (which easily could have) then we win 24-23
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That's my point. Complaining about plays or one team having a player is stupid. The plays happen and the players play for their teams. Nothing can be changed.

That said, you would be a complete idiot to believe that Tebow, Walker, and Jackson are all players their teams can do without. Florida will be back to even with the rest of the top schools or worse (if they aren't already) the second Tebow graduates.
 
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AFL2008 said:
You'll probably hate it and flame it, but sharing info and opinions is what this board is all about:

Why is everyone worried about UF's performance in this victory? Compare this years game to last years game:

2008
30-6 WIN
UF: 243 yards offense, 4.5 avg
Rushing: 147 yards, 38 car, 3.8 avg
Passing: 8-15, 96 yards, 2 TD
3rd down conversions: 8-13
1st downs: 16

2009
23-13 WIN
UF: 323 yards offense, 5.1 avg
Rushing: 208 yards, 44 car, 2 TD, 4.7 avg
Passing: 14-19, 115 yards, 1 INT
3rd down conversions: 8-13
1st downs: 20

So offensively, UF did better in every statistical offensive category except the score and turnovers. UF moved the ball way better on the ground and also a bit better through the air. In 2008 and 2009, UF converted the same number of 3rd downs.

SO why is everyone freaking out about the offense? UF really played a good game except for two bad turnovers where Tebow tried to force things and Tennessee took advantage of those mistakes.

Defensively:

2008
30-6 WIN
Total yards: 258 yards, 4.4 avg
Rushing yards: 96 yards, 31 car, 1 TD, 3.1 avg
Passing yards: 18-28, 162 yards, 1 INT
3rd down conversion: 4-11
1st downs: 16

2009
23-13 WIN
Total yards: 210 yards, 4.1 avg
Rushing yards: 117 yards, 32 carries, 1 TD, 3.7 avg
Passing yards: 11-19, 93 yards, 2 INT
3rd down conversion: 5-12
1st downs: 13

So defensively, the only thing Florida did worse against was the run, where Tennessee ran a little bit better this year. But they had less yards, less first downs, more 3 and outs, and more interceptions. Heck, Crompton in the Clawfense had better numbers in 2008 than in 2009!!!!

I'm not making excuses. These are the facts of the game. The UF offense performed more effectively against UT this year than last year and the UF defense controlled the UT offense better than in 2008. The biggest difference between 2008 and 2009 was turnovers.

In 2008, UT had 2 turnovers at the UF goalline. This year, UT had two turnovers, but not in an imminent scoring position. UF instead had a turnover at the UT goalline and another DEEP in their own territory. UF scored 10 points off of those two Gator miscues.

That happens in football. UT came in here focused and took advantage of some Gator mistakes. But don't get confused, UF still controlled this game, just like they did last year. The only differences were turnovers, and a lack of a Brandon James PR TD.

So let the media, who built up the unrealistic 28 point blowout expectations say that UF is overrated. Because the facts are in the numbers and in the game. UF controlled the game from start to finish. Even with the gator mistakes, UT never came close to winning.

In short, the rumors of the gator demise are greatly exaggerated and UF's rivals will be shocked if they come in thinking UF is worse than last year...


Anyways, just food for thought.
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who cares...see you next year
 
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BigPapaVol said:
but the question was about this team after Tebow. Maybe you'll recall that all of those other teams fell off without a transcendent player.

It is speculative, but UF as built today, has to have him pick up those 4 yard 3d downs and needs the threat of his run to make room for the tiny guys running the trap.
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Ok, my apologies. I thought you were joining in with the "sunshine at any price" club and klnocking the current Gators just because one player does so much. Just hate that kind of nonsense.

At any rate, as to your observation about the future, only time will tell. When Meyer first came here he had Leak and Tebow for like 10 plays the whole year and he made that work for a national championship.

He will have to adapt to no Tebow, no doubt. But I wouldn't bet against him.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Ok, my apologies. I thought you were joining in with the "sunshine at any price" club and klnocking the current Gators just because one player does so much. Just hate that kind of nonsense.

At any rate, as to your observation about the future, only time will tell. When Meyer first came here he had Leak and Tebow for like 10 plays the whole year and he made that work for a national championship.

He will have to adapt to no Tebow, no doubt. But I wouldn't bet against him.
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please. The Tebow / Leak combo had nothing to do with that title. Some very, very good fortune and a dominating defense won that title.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
please. The Tebow / Leak combo had nothing to do with that title. Some very, very good fortune and a dominating defense won that title.
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Leak had some serious weapons around him at WR that are no longer there. Comparing 2006 Florida to 2010 Florida is laughable. I see no better than their 2007 outing.
 
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tng8r said:
Let's see 2-3 plays when you were trailing the whole game?!?! It was more like 2-3 plays of making it too close for comfort. All in all, I think it is safe to say the game didn't turn out like most thought it would.
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ok, pal. i'll name 2 plays that change the winner.

play 1: gerald jones catches it in the endzone in stead of running out of bounds.

half-time score: 13-10

play 2: we stop tebow on the 3rd and 3 (or 4, not sure which) and they don't get their final TD.

final score: 17-16

i'm not saying the game would've gone the same exact way with the exception of those two plays, but if you choose to ONLY change two plays, TN wins with those two going their way. i personally believe TN wins if gerald jones gets the TD bc it changes the game completely at the start of the second half. who knows, though?
 
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i think a reason the stats might be different this year cuz we did such a good job of slowing the game down and limiting posessions. This may already have been said, but our coaches made that game fly by, and that was the plan.
 
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AFL2008 said:
You know what is hilarious? Every year, someone beats UF or plays them close and then everyone says, "Now the SEC has the blue print to stop the spread".

But no one has stopped it consistently. So, I don't get it, do people like, misplace the blue print or something?

The blue print has always been the same. Keep them in front of you, tackle well, and pressure Tebow. Some teams have the personnel to do that better than others.
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It wasn't that simple ...and if you have ever watched a game in you life and understand exactly what you are looking at ...you would not say that .

You watched Monte employee NFL tactics on the college field . They gave Tebow Zero coverage at times and he still could not complete a pass . There were traps , exotic coverages , stunts , exotic blitzes , zone blitzes ...you name it .

Don't put it down to a team that has players to pull it off . You are watching a bunch of freshmen , some mediocre guys , a few walkons , and a couple of superstars . They are not Vandy ...but they are not at the Alabama level either .

Teams will look at what was done and emmulate it . Most notably cover 1 or zero coverage and send the house and make Tebow beat you as a passer . They will look at the mix and match of how Tebow was spied from various positions . They will look at how easily the outside option was dismantled .

Lots of new ground covered there , no doubt .
 
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