Going back for Mel Tucker??

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#127
If Tucker was white, would anyone be talking about him? I just don't get the appeal here. I know there are some who would really like us to hire a black man for all that would symbolize. Just wonder how much support there is beyond that.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
If Tucker was white, would anyone be talking about him? I just don't get the appeal here. I know there are some who would really like us to hire a black man for all that would symbolize. Just wonder how much support there is beyond that.
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honest, i had no idea what color he was till u said that.... im fine with it either way, just hire someone; this has been draining, im over the waiting....time to make a hire and move forward
 
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knoxville7 said:
wrong. vic fangio took over the next year with the same lack of talent, even minus peppers and briggs, so you could say even less talent, and yet fangio was able to make the defense respectable again
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The Bears defense did this....

3rd in 2012 - Not Mel Tucker

31st in 2013 - Mel Tucker

31st in 2014 - Mel Tucker

20th in 2015 - Not Mel Tucker

The Bears cut Urlacher from the 2012 defense and he then retired. The Bears lost Geno Hayes, who was playing under a 1 year contract, to Jacksonville via free agency, they lost Nick Roach via free agency and they lost DJ Moore via free agency and returned everyone else from the 3rd ranked defense in the NFL. Hayes, Moore and Roach were all out of the NFL entirely within 2 years of leaving Chicago.

They didn't lose some world breaking amount of talent, but they did stupidly cut Urlacher, who wanted to keep playing.

This is a snippet from an article calling for his firing in Chicago after his first season. The Bears had just been beaten on a play very similar to how we lost to Florida this year when the DB let someone get way behind him in a prevent defense.

Read on and see how familiar it sounds that Tucker only fielded two good defenses and that was when the head coach was a defensive guy. Like Smart at Georgia. 5 out of 7 he was bottom ten in the NFL and in 2014 had the worst NFL defense in 91 years.

Prior to the season, the argument was that Tucker's defenses always stunk because the players he had always stunk. How is that possible? Isn't he involved in the draft process? Shouldn't a good coach get more out of his players? It can't be argued that Tucker does that.

If one guy is always coaching bad defenses, it can't be that the players are always bad. Terry Shea had injuries and bad players in his first years as the Bears offensive coordinator in 2004, but that doesn't mean he was a bad coordinator.

Perhaps the biggest indictment of Tucker is that the Bears defense got worse as the season progressed.

Injuries were the excuse used, yet when Lance Briggs came back in Week 16, they gave up 449 rushing yards and 80 points in their last two games. They also added Jeremiah Ratliff during the season but saw no improvement.

Blown coverages and missed tackles are staples of a Tucker-led defense.

Perhaps an even more inexplicable play came on Jarrett Boykin's fumble return for a touchdown. Julius Peppers forced a fumble and the ball sat on the ground for awhile, yet no Bears player made an attempt to pick it up.

James Anderson looked at it and walked right by the loose ball. Boykin then picked it up and ran it in for a touchdown.

Maybe the players should know to pick that ball up, but maybe it should be coached to the point where it's a habit? Under Smith, the Bears never let a ball lay on the ground—something one of his former players noted.

The Bears finished this season ranked 29th in yards allowed and 30th in scoring defense. It was the fourth time in six seasons that a defense called by Tucker has finished in the bottom 10 in scoring defense. The only years Tucker has coached a defense that finished in the top half of the league in scoring defense, he was under head coaches with defensive backgrounds.
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VolArmy74 said:
The Bears defense did this....

3rd in 2012 - Not Mel Tucker

31st in 2013 - Mel Tucker

31st in 2014 - Mel Tucker

20th in 2015 - Not Mel Tucker

The Bears cut Urlacher from the 2012 defense and he then retired. The Bears lost Geno Hayes, who was playing under a 1 year contract, to Jacksonville via free agency, they lost Nick Roach via free agency and they lost DJ Moore via free agency and returned everyone else from the 3rd ranked defense in the NFL. Hayes, Moore and Roach were all out of the NFL entirely within 2 years of leaving Chicago.

They didn't lose some world breaking amount of talent, but they did stupidly cut Urlacher, who wanted to keep playing.

This is a snippet from an article calling for his firing in Chicago after his first season. The Bears had just been beaten on a play very similar to how we lost to Florida this year when the DB let someone get way behind him in a prevent defense.

Read on and see how familiar it sounds that Tucker only fielded two good defenses and that was when the head coach was a defensive guy. Like Smart at Georgia. 5 out of 7 he was bottom ten in the NFL and in 2014 had the worst NFL defense in 91 years.
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thankyou for backing up what i stated
 
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golfballs said:
What does color have to do with it
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Nothing really, but I can't ignore that there might be an inherent advantage to looking like 75% of your roster from a relatability and recruiting standpoint. Heck, it could be slightly racist on my part, but it has always seemed to me that there should be more black head coaches.
 
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some numbers for "great NFL DC Mel Tucker"

Total yards allowed:
2008 - Cleveland 26/32
2009 - Jacksonville 23/32
2010 - Jacksonville 28/32
2011 - Jacksonville 6/32
2012 - Jacoksonville 30/32
2013 - Chicago 30/32
2014 - Chicago 30/32

Total Points Allowed
2008 - Cleveland 17/32
2009 - Jacksonville 24/32
2010 - Jacksonville 27/32
2011 - Jacksonville 11/32
2012 - Jacksonville 30/32
2013 - Chicago 31/32
2014 - Chicago 31/32
 
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knoxville7 said:
and yet the defense got alot better the year after tucker left and was replaced by a real d coordinator in vic fangio. defense went from dead last to middle of the pack with similar lack of talent...explain?
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Maybe it got better because it was a completely different roster.

Out of the top 15 tacklers on the team only one was the same between the two years. And he was a rookie under Tucker.

So of course different players will get different results.

2014 Chicago Bears Statistics & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com

2015 Chicago Bears Statistics & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com
 
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Shows you how negative as a fan base we are…… my UGA insider says their folks are not happy to loose him. He is in the know…… at UGA. He thinks he’s behind Steele for the job. Steele is in the lead. He said MT is a hell of a coach!!

His list is:

Steele
Venables
Tucker
 
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GAVol said:
Nothing really, but I can't ignore that there might be an inherent advantage to looking like 75% of your roster from a relatability and recruiting standpoint.
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Not a bad theory, but I'm not sure there's much evidence to support it.
 
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Well let's get that google engine going . Find all of the good points of Mel Tucker's career . Don't forget his dancing in locker room segments and everyone has to say that he gets it about every three comments . OK GO
 
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rpeagram said:
Shows you how negative as a fan base we are…… my UGA insider says their folks are not happy to loose him. He is in the know…… at UGA. He thinks he’s behind Steele for the job. Steele is in the lead. He said MT is a hell of a coach!!

His list is:

Steele
Venables
Tucker
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Yeah, UGA fans not happy to lose him as DC. You think they'd be happy w him as head coach?
 
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k-town_king said:
Maybe it got better because it was a completely different roster.

Out of the top 15 tacklers on the team only one was the same between the two years. And he was a rookie under Tucker.

So of course different players will get different results.

2014 Chicago Bears Statistics & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com

2015 Chicago Bears Statistics & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com
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well, considering the leading tacklers in 2015 were christian jones and shea mcclellin, id say thats pretty impressive fangio was able to be around the middle of the pack defense. tucker had the worst defense in bears history with similar talent levels. unless you think christian jones and shea mcclellin are studs?
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
If Tucker was white, would anyone be talking about him? I just don't get the appeal here. I know there are some who would really like us to hire a black man for all that would symbolize. Just wonder how much support there is beyond that.
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The better question is, if he was white, would the same ones trying to nitpick his NFL rankings while ignoring his great years in the NFL and college be doing the same thing?
 
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#145
Out Venables, Morris, Tucker, Brohm, Tucker pool, Mel Tucker would be the best hire....


Love the Tucker hire.
 
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k-town_king said:
The better question is, if he was white, would the same ones trying to nitpick his NFL rankings while ignoring his great years in the NFL and college be doing the same thing?
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that is the better question, i do agree. as one of the "nitpickers" you mentioned, i can say i absolutely would still feel the same way. i saw it up close for 2 years and i was highly unimpressed. i may have a bias of watching 2 of his worst years, but thats the only bias i have :rock:
 
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k-town_king said:
The better question is, if he was white, would the same ones trying to nitpick his NFL rankings while ignoring his great years in the NFL and college be doing the same thing?
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*great years in the NFL*

Total yards allowed:
2008 - Cleveland 26/32
2009 - Jacksonville 23/32
2010 - Jacksonville 28/32
2011 - Jacksonville 6/32
2012 - Jacoksonville 30/32
2013 - Chicago 30/32
2014 - Chicago 30/32

Total Points Allowed
2008 - Cleveland 17/32
2009 - Jacksonville 24/32
2010 - Jacksonville 27/32
2011 - Jacksonville 11/32
2012 - Jacksonville 30/32
2013 - Chicago 31/32
2014 - Chicago 31/32

The numbers don't care about a man's race.
 
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golfballs said:
Not a bad theory, but I'm not sure there's much evidence to support it.
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Probably not. But then again, other than maybe Sumlin, there hasn't really been a black head coach at a high profile SEC school to even test the theory.
 
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knoxville7 said:
well, considering the leading tacklers in 2015 were christian jones and shea mcclellin, id say thats pretty impressive fangio was able to be around the middle of the pack defense. tucker had the worst defense in bears history with similar talent levels. unless you think christian jones and shea mcclellin are studs?
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Maybe not studs but young and decent. The year before 6 of the top ten tacklers 29+. They were old af. They got younger and more athletic.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Out Venables, Morris, Tucker, Brohm, Tucker pool, Mel Tucker would be the best hire....


Love the Tucker hire.
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Please, give me some actual positives that make you feel that way.

I'd have him at dead last among possible named candidates.

I'd take Kevin Steele or Tee over him and never even think twice about it.

It's laughable to even suggest his resume is remotely on par with Venables.
 
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