Going back for Mel Tucker??

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EricFreakingBerry said:
I love how people just see one bad year, two bad years, one particular stop in a coach's resume and immediately think a guy is garbage. It takes more than just pure coaching skill to create winning results.

Do you guys believe Bill Belichick learned how to be a 5-time Super Bowl champion between his last 5-11 season with the Browns and his 1st Super Bowl with the Patriots? No. The guy was a great coach who went 5-11 because of his situation and got let go. Even his defenses with the Jets the 3 years after he left the Browns weren't usually mind-blowing Top 3 rankings.

But suddenly in 2000, the Patriots hired the guy, the right pieces fell into place because of draft picks, administration, AND his skill as a coach.

You guys are always so QUICK to dismiss a guy because "oh, his Bears defense was abysmal"

Did you ever stop to think maybe his players, or the Bears front office, were the things that were pretty abysmal?

Stop acting like a guy has to be #1 in every category before he's worthy to be a coach at the University of Tennessee.
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so you say not to just look at a couple bad years, right? how about dont just look at a couple good years then??? he was a d coordinator for 8 years in the NFL, out of those 8 you can claim his defenses had 2 good years out of those 8 and 6 really poor years out of those 8. stop acting like this guy is some defensive savant, he isnt. us bears fans were sold the same garbage that some of you are trying to sell right now. dont fall for it
 
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vols1707 said:
He is not Les Miles or Tee Martin

All that should be known at this point... and passed on.
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I really hate to say anything bad about Tee Martin, but from what I know, there's a real possibility that he'd be in over his head.
 
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volforlife15 said:
I would love to know how you know this
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I thought it was common knowledge Saban still is basically the dc no matter who he fills the spot with? Kirby was a career assistant who had never been a dc at the major college level. Saban gave him the title while still pretty much running the defense.

Smart is a good hc. Tucker does have more experience running a defense than Smart did when UGA hired him.

vols1707 said:
What?

What does Schiano have to do with Mel Tucker?

I missed Mel Tucker's head coaching jobs.... because you want to compare them as Head coaches please inform me of their comparative records as head coaches
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You keep bringing up that loser coach but have a problem with Tucker, a far superior coach.

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GAVol said:
I'm not going to pretend that he's the first name on anybody's last, but he's well regarded and they love him at UGA.
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He was nowhere near my top choice. He is a good hire though. His resume stacks up with any coordinator.
 
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To be fair to Mel Tucker in regard to his time in Chicago, he was seriously lacking in talent...like Cleveland Browns lacking. A 33 year old Julius Peppers and a 33 year old Lance Briggs were easily the best players on that defense. That sucks. His defense was 31st in points, but they only elevated to 20th after they replaced the entire front office, coaching staff, and invested in more talent via free agency. There was a massive talent void when Tucker was there.

Some people think a DC should be able to "elevate" the talent on D, but the reality is that's not reality. DC's just prepare players and put them in a position to succeed, that doesn't guarantee players can and will execute to a level that allows for success. Tucker seems to know how to utilize talent. If he can recruit, then he will always have talent to utilize.

I would be fine with either him or Venables as long as CPF gives them a quality staff and especially an OC.
 
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Not to be cynical, because he does have a good resume, but a lot of people complaining of the lack of African American representation in Currie's search. Maybe this is Phil playing the CYA card
 
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knoxville7 said:
so you say not to just look at a couple bad years, right? how about dont just look at a couple good years then??? he was a d coordinator for 8 years in the NFL, out of those 8 you can claim his defenses had 2 good years out of those 8 and 6 really poor years out of those 8. stop acting like this guy is some defensive savant, he isnt. us bears fans were sold the same garbage that some of you are trying to sell right now. dont fall for it
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Your administration and drafting in Chicago was what was garbage, not this guy's abilities as a coach.
 
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GAVol said:
I really hate to say anything bad about Tee Martin, but from what I know, there's a real possibility that he'd be in over his head.
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they haven't even interviewed him to hear what he would bring and his mindset.....

Tee Martin would be in the same place as Mel Tucker in experience in SEC head coaching....

And Tee is a better recruiter.
 
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OakRidgeVol said:
To be fair to Mel Tucker in regard to his time in Chicago, he was seriously lacking in talent...like Cleveland Browns lacking. A 33 year old Julius Peppers and a 33 year old Lance Briggs were easily the best players on that defense. That sucks. His defense was 31st in points, but they only elevated to 20th after they replaced the entire front office, coaching staff, and invested in more talent via free agency. There was a massive talent void when Tucker was there.

Some people think a DC should be able to "elevate" the talent on D, but the reality is that's not reality. DC's just prepare players and put them in a position to succeed, that doesn't guarantee players can and will execute to a level that allows for success. Tucker seems to know how to utilize talent. If he can recruit, then he will always have talent to utilize.

I would be fine with either him or Venables as long as CPF gives them a quality staff and especially an OC.
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wrong. vic fangio took over the next year with the same lack of talent, even minus peppers and briggs, so you could say even less talent, and yet fangio was able to make the defense respectable again
 
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KCVolLaw said:
Not to be cynical, because he does have a good resume, but a lot of people complaining of the lack of African American representation in Currie's search. Maybe this is Phil playing the CYA card
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I don't know about that, but, I will say that for me personally, the idea of a young African American head coach seems to make a lot of sense.
 
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EricFreakingBerry said:
Your administration and drafting in Chicago was what was garbage, not this guy's abilities as a coach.
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and yet the defense got alot better the year after tucker left and was replaced by a real d coordinator in vic fangio. defense went from dead last to middle of the pack with similar lack of talent...explain?
 
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vols1707 said:
they haven't even interviewed him to hear what he would bring and his mindset.....

Tee Martin would be in the same place as Mel Tucker in experience in SEC head coaching....

And Tee is a better recruiter.
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If he hadn't played here, there's not a single person on this board that would think it made sense to talk to him.
 
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vols1707 said:
What?

What does Schiano have to do with Mel Tucker?

I missed Mel Tucker's head coaching jobs.... because you want to compare them as Head coaches please inform me of their comparative records as head coaches
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Tucker coached as an interim HC in the NFL. I wouldve thought you were aware since you know everything.
 
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Tucker wouldn't be one on my top 5 choices but I'll absolutely support him. The truth is no matter who we hired, it was going to depend on the coordinators. Morris or Venables would have needed a great D coordinator or O coordinator respectively. Miles would have needed both. If it's Tucker let's hope he ends up with The next Kiffin/Sarkisian. Would love it if his first call was to the guy at Austin Peay.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Tucker coached as an interim HC in the NFL. I wouldve thought you were aware since you know everything.
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You do understand there is a difference in being hired as a head coach, and being named an interim right?

You get hired off you accomplishments...

You get appointed interim based on your GM's feelings about what's left after a firing
 
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KCVolLaw said:
Not to be cynical, because he does have a good resume, but a lot of people complaining of the lack of African American representation in Currie's search. Maybe this is Phil playing the CYA card
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Really? At the expense of hiring the wrong coach that you would then have to justify firing? I don't think so.

The guy has solid NFL and CFB experience. He has recently worked for two current playoff coaches. He's apparently making a recruiting impact for UGA. UGA's D, not their O, made them a playoff team.


FUN FACT- three of the 4 HC's in the CFB playoff this year... were coordinators at top tier programs before taking their current job. None of those "sure thing" HC's hired away from other programs made it. Saban went to Bama after flopping in the NFL.
 
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0nelilreb said:
And if it is bad it does work out I’ve sure you’ll be back here praising him like the rest of us will . Damn give the man a chance to do his job and let’s see what happens when we have an AD that none can say doesn’t love this University
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I have no doubt that Phil Fulmer loves this University. I also think he loves himself and has a massive ego. Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite us.
 
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I wonder if he could poach Tosh Lupoi from Bama to be his DC? Lupoi is the LB Coach and "Co-DC" for Bama. He's also one of the best recruiters in the nation.
 
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