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[calban]

Lol pac-12 has been rated higher than big 12 four out of the eight years Dawkins was a Stanford. Man you ignant. That back woods ignant that don’t even know how ignant it is. Imagine having to resorting to lying because you only other argument is nitpicking typos. You low IQ brah best talk less and hide it.

Show us when Hot Shot.
NCAA College Basketball RPI Rankings (updated today)

 

[pricevol5]

Can someone please explain why Larry Coker been mentioned 12 times in this thread? Im super confused by this.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

No that’s not how it works. We didnt double Tyndall or Martin’s salary. I get that you’d like to claim that because the 4 million difference is hyper embarrassing considering they’ve both been to all of one S16 in the past decade. But you are one of those types that likes to pay for past production- at other schools no less. I’m a little bit more savvy.

We tripled Tyndall’s salary, he was making $500k and got hired at $1.6m at Tennessee.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Barnes was averaging $3.5m/6 years for a $21m total, new contract I believe is averaging $4.7m/6 years for a $28.2m total.

For comparison Texas A&M hires Buzz Williams at $4.1m/6 years for a $24.6m total plus is paying his VT buyout.

Depending on who you want to hire a buyout could range from $500k-$8+m...so let’s say you wanna hire someone with a large buyout of $6m, on a 6 year deal, at $3.7m/6 years + paying their $6m buyout you’re right back at the same investment you currently are with Barnes. Assuming you want to hire a decently big named coach it’s gojng to cost you at least that, so yes having that stability is worth some extra money.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Nate Oats was making $800k at Buffalo, Alabama tripled his salary to $2.45m

 

[Vols410]

Honestly get bent. I’m a Vols basketball fan you are a football fan that peeps in when they are good. And the buyout doesn’t come out of my check but when Barnes gets canned in four years the buyout will force out to hire a crap coach. But you can bet the second you start bitching in football season I’ll be there to gatekeep you like no other. So you better keep the sunshine pumping. The second you utter the first negative thing about coach Pruitt I’ll be there telling you go root for another team.

Dude I've watched every single basketball game (either live or replay) for the last 6 years. Grew up in LA watching the Lakers every night, then moved to Tennessee during the Pearl years and was hooked immediately on the basketVols. Drove down for games during the Tyndall, Martin, and Barnes years. Don't pretend you know anything about me because I disagree with you.

Also, go back and read your posts and see how salty you are. Not a good look.

 

[Vols410]

Lol pac-12 has been rated higher than big 12 four out of the eight years Dawkins was a Stanford. Man you ignant. That back woods ignant that don’t even know how ignant it is. Imagine having to resorting to lying because you only other argument is nitpicking typos. You low IQ brah best talk less and hide it.

Oooh, such a classy post.

 

[Vols410]

Lol pac-12 has been rated higher than big 12 four out of the eight years Dawkins was a Stanford. Man you ignant. That back woods ignant that don’t even know how ignant it is. Imagine having to resorting to lying because you only other argument is nitpicking typos. You low IQ brah best talk less and hide it.

From KP:

2009 (Dawkins was 6-12 in conference)
Pac 10 - 1st
Big 12 - 3th

2010 (7-11)
Big 12 - 1st
Pac 10 - 6th

2011 (7-11)
Big 12 - 4th
Pac 10 - 5th

2012 (10-8)
Big 12 - 2nd
Pac 12 - 6th

2013 (9-9)
Big 12 - 3rd
Pac 12 - 5th

2014 (10-8)
Big 12 - 1st
Pac 12 - 4th

2015 (9-9)
Big 12 - 1st
Pac 12 - 6th

2016 (8-10)
Big 12 - 1st
Pac 12 - 4th

 

[calban]

From KP:

2009 (Dawkins was 6-12 in conference)
Pac 10 - 1st
Big 12 - 3th

2010 (7-11)
Big 12 - 1st
Pac 10 - 6th

2011 (7-11)
Big 12 - 4th
Pac 10 - 5th

2012 (10-8)
Big 12 - 2nd
Pac 12 - 6th

2013 (9-9)
Big 12 - 3rd
Pac 12 - 5th

2014 (10-8)
Big 12 - 1st
Pac 12 - 4th

2015 (9-9)
Big 12 - 1st
Pac 12 - 6th

2016 (8-10)
Big 12 - 1st
Pac 12 - 4th

Yep he's spot on. 4 times in eight years they were rated higher. His claim about Dawkins' higher winning percentage were made up also. Barnes was still at .616 for the time period and we won't mention his conference average because it would be too embarrassing for him. Don't get me wrong about Dawkins though. I was pulling for him against Duke when he got hosed by the refs.
You're posting KenPom. I was posting RPI. One season better on KP , none on RPI.

 

[Vols410]

Yep he's spot on. 4 times in eight years they were rated higher. His claim about Dawkins' higher winning percentage were made up also. Barnes was still at .616 for the time period and we won't mention his conference average because it would be too embarrassing for him. Don't get me wrong about Dawkins though. I was pulling for him against Duke when he got hosed by the refs.

Yeah, I like Dawkins. Curious to see how he does without Tacko at UCF.

 

[calban]

Yeah, I like Dawkins. Curious to see how he does without Tacko at UCF.

His back up looked impressive in the Duke game.

 

[cncchris33]

Exactly you are a low info basketball fan. Johnny Dawkins is probably going to be dukes coach in five years. Jason Kidd is a former nba coach. Ed Cooley has been to the tournament more often than Barnes in the past eight years at Providence. You are the equivalent of a football fan saying Vols fans would have a stroke if Chris Petersen was hired to replace Dooley. IOW your knowledge of college basketball likely stops with some familiarity with the SEC and espn headlines. I would trade McKay Alexander and Jans straight up for Barnes putting aside that all three could be had for 1/3 Barnes salary. You know that thing Barnes has never managed to do-win his conference tourney Jans did it back to back years. And for good measure he won the conference outright two years in a row as well. Honestly come back when you studied CBB some more it’s worthless discussing this with someone who probably still thinks Gregg Marshall is the hot hire (or as you would know him that guy from Wichita state).

You are completely missing the point. If Tennessee is willing to spend the kind of money they are for the basketball program, why even aim for some of the targets you are suggesting? Ed Cooley? Are you freaking serious? That guy hasn’t finished higher than tied for 3rd in a watered down Big East, has a 1-5 record in the NCAAT and has never made it out of the first weekend, and his best record at Providence in 8 seasons is 24-11. That is the kind of mediocrity you are shooting for? What makes you think he’s going to improve upon that in the SEC? Not to mention he makes $2.6 million at Providence. You think he’s taking a pay cut to come here?

Talk about being full of it. You have been on this site for 2 weeks and already shown a career’s worth of ignorance and then want to plea with others to match your basketball intellect? And what, because you have “4 years of varsity experience”? Give me a break. Spouting off a bunch of mid-major coach’s names and barking up their qualifications doesn’t make you seem any smarter, either. You don’t have to agree that Barnes is worth his raise and current salary, but you better come in a little stronger than that weak argument you just presented.

 

[cncchris33]

He's coached in weaker conferences than Barnes. So your argument is that the teams he coached in weaker conferences didn't have a history of going to the tournament. Is there some logic there I'm not seeing?

Someone’s not seeing the logic, but it isn’t you.

 

[calban]

You are completely missing the point. If Tennessee is willing to spend the kind of money they are for the basketball program, why even aim for some of the targets you are suggesting? Ed Cooley? Are you freaking serious? That guy hasn’t finished higher than tied for 3rd in a watered down Big East, has a 1-5 record in the NCAAT and has never made it out of the first weekend, and his best record at Providence in 8 seasons is 24-11. That is the kind of mediocrity you are shooting for? What makes you think he’s going to improve upon that in the SEC? Not to mention he makes $2.6 million at Providence. You think he’s taking a pay cut to come here?

Talk about being full of it. You have been on this site for 2 weeks and already shown a career’s worth of ignorance and then want to plea with others to match your basketball intellect? And what, because you have “4 years of varsity experience”? Give me a break. Spouting off a bunch of mid-major coach’s names and barking up their qualifications doesn’t make you seem any smarter, either. You don’t have to agree that Barnes is worth his raise and current salary, but you better come in a little stronger than that weak argument you just presented.

I think BigDall would PUNK his butt on the court.
Ill lay a Benjamin down, gym of Dall's choice winner take all. You up for it Dall?

 

[salutethehill]

It is very true of Tennesssee. Across all sports.

The football program says hi.

 

[cncchris33]

Another interesting point about Dawkins, he was rumored to be considered for Vanderbilt’s opening. Vandy thought so much of him that they hired a guy with exactly zero college coaching experience, or head coaching experience at all outside of the G-League.

It is also rumored that his agent is seeking to see him paid $3 million annually...at UCF.

 

[lilesrt]

The football program says hi.

Yeah.. they haven’t met expectations for years.

 

[kiddiedoc]

not being ranked in a pre season poll carries about the same weight being ranked #1 in January does.

see you next March.

... Except that it doesn't. A team's ranking halfway through the season is determined by their play thus far. Tennessee earned the #1 spot by winning a bunch of big games. Why would that not matter?

Preseason polls are purely speculation.

 

[jakez4ut]

... Except that it doesn't. A team's ranking halfway through the season is determined by their play thus far. Tennessee earned the #1 spot by winning a bunch of big games. Why would that not matter?

Preseason polls are purely speculation.

i terms of how you finish? no, it doesn't.

i've been railing against folks the past few days complaining about Barnes' new deal and lack of hardware, cause i think it's an asinine argument to make, when you consider what TN bball has been historically.

but, you don't hang a banner or get a ring for being ranked #1 for a month.

all that said, i think it's cool. i had fun with it for sure....and it's better than not being ranked #1.

 

[JoAllan]

Another interesting point about Dawkins, he was rumored to be considered for Vanderbilt’s opening. Vandy thought so much of him that they hired a guy with exactly zero college coaching experience, or head coaching experience at all outside of the G-League.

It is also rumored that his agent is seeking to see him paid $3 million annually...at UCF.

Lol
I have nothing against Dawkins, and maybe one day he will he seen as an elite coach.......heck I don’t know.

But dang, the one guy was literally complaining about Barnes getting about a 1/3rd raise, saying Barnes doesn’t have tourney success

Then he proceeds to mention Dawkins would have been a better choice. But Dawkins doesn’t even have success to get to the tourney. I really think the guy didn’t know anything about Dawkins, simply saw him in the sweet 16.

Again Johnny Dawkins........if your ever on here I don’t think your a sucky coach.......just not near the coach that Rick Barnes is.

 

[calban]

Lol
I have nothing against Dawkins, and maybe one day he will he seen as an elite coach.......heck I don’t know.

But dang, the one guy was literally complaining about Barnes getting about a 1/3rd raise, saying Barnes doesn’t have tourney success

Then he proceeds to mention Dawkins would have been a better choice. But Dawkins doesn’t even have success to get to the tourney. I really think the guy didn’t know anything about Dawkins, simply saw him in the sweet 16.

Again Johnny Dawkins........if your ever on here I don’t think your a sucky coach.......just not near the coach that Rick Barnes is.

You know Barnes may well be a mediocre post season coach. However, no one can question his ability to get you there in regular season play. A couple lucky rolls and you could pull an Auburn or even a loyola-Chicago. But you have to be there.