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#51
#51
treali94 said:
Barnes isn’t actually known as a player developer. That’s a thing people made up because he can’t recruit at Tennessee. We just destroyed the programs finances because Barnes caught lightening in a bottle with Grant Williams.
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I hope were looking into Grad Transfers think were gonna need a couple of players that can help a lot immediately.
 
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treali94 said:
Barnes isn’t actually known as a player developer. That’s a thing people made up because he can’t recruit at Tennessee. We just destroyed the programs finances because Barnes caught lightening in a bottle with Grant Williams.
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That might be the stupidest thing anyone has ever posted on this site. Truly Hall of Fame worthy. Do you sniff glue daily?
 
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mrmax86 said:
...to be very disrespected in the 2019-2020 preseason top-25 polls. Just saying. I've seen several, and we're averaging "not in the top 25" ranking. I'll post some here.
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Thats fantastic. I must admit I enjoyed watching the games more as the underdog than as the favorite. Barnes first 3 teams were UD's most of the time and a loss was easier to take. Last year I DID NOT want to see that team lose a game. It was exciting to the point of being difficult to watch, chair throwing type stuff. I felt violated after the Vandy away game as the thought of losing to them was not acceptable! Lets get back to reality.
 
#57
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treali94 said:
Barnes isn’t actually known as a player developer. That’s a thing people made up because he can’t recruit at Tennessee. We just destroyed the programs finances because Barnes caught lightening in a bottle with Grant Williams.
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This may be the most ridiculously and purposefully false post on this site of the year.

Player development is precisely what Barnes has been known for since he coached at Providence. Grant Williams came here to be developed by Barnes, he didn't just drop from a cloud into Barnes' lap as a National Player Of the Year finalist. Sticking to just Barnes' Tennessee years, there isn't a single player on the Vols' roster who was a stud player when they arrived, not one. Burns comes the closest and we have yet to see how he translated from high school to college. Every single starter this year was developed and well coached by this staff and virtually all of them were better this year than they were last year---especially including, but certainly not limited to, the big three of Williams, Schofield and Bone. Where have you been and what have you been watching?

As for an inability to recruit, look at his Texas years (and before) and watch what happens at the real UT now that this program has become more established and saved from the dumpster fire he found when he arrived. You are aware that two five star players are currently committed to him, right? Several more prospects are on the recruiting board for the next two years. Again, where have you been and what have you been watching?

There is a reason Barnes has always had a great---not good---a great national reputation. Is he #1, no. But he's certainly not viewed as some average old jouneyman like you and some others want to portray him. Strangely, I really think he's appreciated far more elsewhere than in Knoxville. Think for example Lexington, Los Angeles and, bless their fickle hearts, how about Austin (you think they'd run him off for Shaka again?). There is a reason Barnes has been actively pursued by blue blood programs including Kentucky and UCLA among many other lesser programs over the years. He's a great coach and, thankfully, he literally fell into Tennessee's lap.

As for the destruction of the program's finances, again, you are spouting off without facts and implying that UT's President and AD are incompetent at business. Nonsense. The market set the rate. UT paid what it took to keep a great coach, teacher and person in Knoxville. The vast majority of the UT basketball fan base is delighted with his retention. It's just a very few, very mouthy, very annoying, internet jockeys with tough guy issues who think UT made a mistake.

Seriously, do you have any reason to post other than to be an outrageous troll?
 
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jarnol32 said:
You strike me as someone who has never stepped foot on a basketball court if you are agreeing that Rick Barnes is not worth the money. In two years he took a team that was predicted to finish 13th in the sec and won 31 games with them..
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4 years on varsity actually. I’d kick your ass in basketball. We just made a coach who hasn’t made an elite eight in 13 years the third highest paid coach in basketball. It would be like making mark richt the third highest paid coach in football only richt is younger and can actually recruit.
 
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mrmax86 said:
Rothstein - Not ranked

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Barnes did a remarkable job, but there is no mystery of how big a step back this team will take if Bone and Williams go. Recruiting has been lackluster and it doesn’t appear the coaching up is paying the same dividends with some of the other bench players.
 
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Roustabout said:
Barnes did a remarkable job, but there is no mystery of how big a step back this team will take if Bone and Williams go. Recruiting has been lackluster and it doesn’t appear the coaching up is paying the same dividends with some of the other bench players.
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Actually, there is quite a bit of mystery in how big of a step they take backwards since a lot of the guys who will be counted on haven’t played much (Pons, Walker, Burns), or at all (James). We still have skilled guards and leadership. People were saying the same things about this team two years ago, too. Will the current crop repeat those accomplishments? Beats me. Probably not. But that is the mystery.
 
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treali94 said:
4 years on varsity actually. I’d kick your ass in basketball. We just made a coach who hasn’t made an elite eight in 13 years the third highest paid coach in basketball. It would be like making mark richt the third highest paid coach in football only richt is younger and can actually recruit.
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#67
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treali94 said:
4 years on varsity actually. I’d kick your ass in basketball. We just made a coach who hasn’t made an elite eight in 13 years the third highest paid coach in basketball. It would be like making mark richt the third highest paid coach in football only richt is younger and can actually recruit.
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Name 3 that you would take over Barnes that would actually come to Tennessee. ( Don’t say Pearl that bridge has done been torched, but he is one I’d trade Barnes for).
 
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jarnol32 said:
Name 3 that you would take over Barnes that would actually come to Tennessee. ( Don’t say Pearl that bridge has done been torched, but he is one I’d trade Barnes for).
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You keep saying this and I’ll answer it because it’s so simple but it’s really such a silly argument. My argument is you don’t pay mediocre old coaches elite money. It’s that simple. There weren’t many openings this year so you could have gotten excellent mid major coaches on the cheap.

Kermit
Steve Lavin (can actually recruit)
Jason Kidd
Rick Byrd (if you want a caretaker coach get him for three years or get Casey Alexander)
Jonny Dawkins
Mckay
Ron hunter

Should I keep going? And none of these except kidd is going to cost more than 3 million.
Craig Smith would cost half
Chris Jans
Dan D’Antoni
Ed Cooley

I imagine you’ll have to look a lot of these names up but thats my point you aren’t coming at this from much knowledge.
 
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treali94 said:
You keep saying this and I’ll answer it because it’s so simple but it’s really such a silly argument. My argument is you don’t pay mediocre old coaches elite money. It’s that simple. There weren’t many openings this year so you could have gotten excellent mid major coaches on the cheap.

Kermit
Steve Lavin (can actually recruit)
Jason Kidd
Rick Byrd (if you want a caretaker coach get him for three years or get Casey Alexander)
Jonny Dawkins
Mckay
Ron hunter

Should I keep going? And none of these except kidd is going to cost more than 3 million.
Craig Smith would cost half
Chris Jans
Dan D’Antoni
Ed Cooley

I imagine you’ll have to look a lot of these names up but thats my point you aren’t coming at this from much knowledge.
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Exactly zero of those names should be in the top 5 calls made by a high major team coming off of a 31-win season. Just stop. Those are all terrible ideas. You would lose your mind if Tennessee hired one of those guys within a week of losing Barnes. Kermit Davis is the only name on that list that wouldn't send people into a seizure fit.
 
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treali94 said:
Barnes isn’t actually known as a player developer. That’s a thing people made up because he can’t recruit at Tennessee. We just destroyed the programs finances because Barnes caught lightening in a bottle with Grant Williams.
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Lol
Tennessee had 4 other players average double figures this year, had one of the top point guards in the sec, had one of the best SF’s in college basketball, and had one of the best 6th men in the sec not to mention the former 6th man of the year.............none of which were Grant Williams........and none of which were a 4 star or above.
 
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treali94 said:
You keep saying this and I’ll answer it because it’s so simple but it’s really such a silly argument. My argument is you don’t pay mediocre old coaches elite money. It’s that simple. There weren’t many openings this year so you could have gotten excellent mid major coaches on the cheap.

Kermit
Steve Lavin (can actually recruit)
Jason Kidd
Rick Byrd (if you want a caretaker coach get him for three years or get Casey Alexander)
Jonny Dawkins
Mckay
Ron hunter

Should I keep going? And none of these except kidd is going to cost more than 3 million.
Craig Smith would cost half
Chris Jans
Dan D’Antoni
Ed Cooley

I imagine you’ll have to look a lot of these names up but thats my point you aren’t coming at this from much knowledge.
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Lol it don’t take much to please you does it.

In 11 years as a head coach Dawkins has had just one with single digit losses, this year with 9, he has also had just one season with more than 24 wins. He was let go at Stanford after making the tourney just once in 8 years. In his 11 years his teams have only made the tourney just twice.

Dawkins currently makes 1.1 million a year, but you would be willing to double that and have him here instead of Barnes..........talk about over paying.

Lol, you let one decent season at UCF, and the media hyping him up make you think he is better than Barnes.......you may want to at least look into a coach before you post something.
 
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#72
cncchris33 said:
Exactly zero of those names should be in the top 5 calls made by a high major team coming off of a 31-win season. Just stop. Those are all terrible ideas. You would lose your mind if Tennessee hired one of those guys within a week of losing Barnes. Kermit Davis is the only name on that list that wouldn't send people into a seizure fit.
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Exactly you are a low info basketball fan. Johnny Dawkins is probably going to be dukes coach in five years. Jason Kidd is a former nba coach. Ed Cooley has been to the tournament more often than Barnes in the past eight years at Providence. You are the equivalent of a football fan saying Vols fans would have a stroke if Chris Petersen was hired to replace Dooley. IOW your knowledge of college basketball likely stops with some familiarity with the SEC and espn headlines. I would trade McKay Alexander and Jans straight up for Barnes putting aside that all three could be had for 1/3 Barnes salary. You know that thing Barnes has never managed to do-win his conference tourney Jans did it back to back years. And for good measure he won the conference outright two years in a row as well. Honestly come back when you studied CBB some more it’s worthless discussing this with someone who probably still thinks Gregg Marshall is the hot hire (or as you would know him that guy from Wichita state).
 
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#73
JoAllan said:
Lol it don’t take much to please you does it.

In 11 years as a head coach Dawkins has had just one with single digit losses, this year with 9, he has also had just one season with more than 24 wins. He was let go at Stanford after making the tourney just once in 8 years. In his 11 years his teams have only made the tourney just twice.

Dawkins currently makes 1.1 million a year, but you would be willing to double that and have him here instead of Barnes..........talk about over paying.

Lol, you let one decent season at UCF, and the media hyping him up make you think he is better than Barnes.......you may want to at least look into a coach before you post something.
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Low info fan alert. Imagine caring about regular season losses. Have you ever dribbled a basketball? Have you ever watched a non-conference college basketball game? You don’t even realize that since 2013 Dawkins and Barnes have been to the same number of S16s. Lol cat you dumb. You want to pay five times for the same production. If all I get is one S16 each I’ll pocket the four million every time.
 
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#74
treali94 said:
Exactly you are a low info basketball fan. Johnny Dawkins is probably going to be dukes coach in five years. Jason Kidd is a former nba coach. Ed Cooley has been to the tournament more often than Barnes in the past eight years at Providence. You are the equivalent of a football fan saying Vols fans would have a stroke if Chris Petersen was hired to replace Dooley. IOW your knowledge of college basketball likely stops with some familiarity with the SEC and espn headlines. I would trade McKay Alexander and Jans straight up for Barnes putting aside that all three could be had for 1/3 Barnes salary. You know that thing Barnes has never managed to do-win his conference tourney Jans did it back to back years. And for good measure he won the conference outright two years in a row as well. Honestly come back when you studied CBB some more it’s worthless discussing this with someone who probably still thinks Gregg Marshall is the hot hire (or as you would know him that guy from Wichita state).
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Lol Dawkins May very well me Dukes coach one day.......I doubt it, but it could happen.

However you say Barnes hasn’t won anything in a while.......but Dawkins has NEVER won anything as a head coach........ever, heck he has only even made the tourney twice. He simply got hyped up because of the Duke connection, but he has certainly never performed as a head coach........yet.
 
#75
#75
treali94 said:
4 years on varsity actually. I’d kick your ass in basketball. We just made a coach who hasn’t made an elite eight in 13 years the third highest paid coach in basketball. It would be like making mark richt the third highest paid coach in football only richt is younger and can actually recruit.
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Well actually he's the 5th highest paid behind Self at 4.95. But that will all change in the next few years. Maybe Barnes will be a trend setter in that regard.
 
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