Gerrymandering in Virginia

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LouderVol said:
there was plenty of dumb even with the two consuls and limited voting rights. that distinction of Republic vs Democracy isn't the difference in why one fell and another stuck around.
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The other factor was that the counsels were balanced by an unelected Senate with minimum property requirements. The people as a whole still had a check and balance with the Tribunate of the Plebs that could veto unpopular legislation.
A nicely balanced form of republic. Inherently stable compared to the endlessly shifting Athenian democracy.
 
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LouderVol said:
easy peasy.

balanced budget amendment.

everyone keeps their rights, and the power of the government is restricted.

and before you cry about that being impossible, so is taking away voting rights.
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If we pass a balanced budget amendment with a built in pay down on current debt then I don’t care who the hell votes as long as they are a citizen.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Its going to be a cluster in Midtown where you may switch districts 7-8 times in a 3 mile route (3 different districts)
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I used to live in Central Gardens. No more Cohen billboards I guess…

I assume Germantown & Collierville will remain unchanged.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Dagum if that don't sound like every President in the past thirty years. Trump lost money in his first term and has made about 160% of his previous wealth in his second
  • Bill Clinton: ~$1.3M before → $120M+ shortly after (combined with Hillary now ~$240M+). Massive post-office earnings from speeches, books, and consulting. Highest percentage growth in modern era. Up 18000%
  • Barack Obama: ~$1.3M before → ~$70M after (with Michelle). Book deals, Netflix, speeches. Second-highest modern post-presidency surge. Up 5300%
  • George W. Bush: ~$20M before → ~$40M after. More modest gains via books, speeches, and investments. Up 100%
  • George H.W. Bush: ~$4M → ~$23M post-office. Investments and board roles. Up 475%
  • Jimmy Carter: Modest wealth (~$2M before, struggled after initially). Built to ~$10M via books; notably avoided heavy monetization and focused on humanitarian work. Put family peanut farm in trust. UP 334%
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At the risk of interrupting your enjoyment of that customized alternate universe you live in, now do that exercise measuring only wealth gained while in office.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
The best and most objective solution would a be a law that says the ratio of the length of the district boundary to the area of the district has to be below a certain number. Make it mathematical and no one should complain (but of course someone always does). The more square a district is, the fairer it is.
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Sometimes geographic features like ridges and rivers are cultural and or economic boundaries. So sometimes relatively long narrow districts are justified.
 
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hog88 said:
My personal belief is that as soon as a citizen is eligible for the draft they are eligible to vote and exercise every right of adulthood.
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How about resident aliens? I knew an English guy who tried to disregard his draft notice on the grounds that he was a subject of the Queen. He lost that debate but won an expense paid tour of Vietnam.
 
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LouderVol said:
doesn't matter. they are still subject to the laws of this nation as a citizen. that gives them the right to vote. there should never, again, be a group of second class citizens.

as I always I fully support the equality of ALL rights.

the Constitution never once considers tax paying towards what rights you have. well I guess beyond the legal support of taxation. there is no Constitutional justification for it. If you can own a gun, and have that right protected by the 2A, while on welfare, you also have the right to vote while on welfare. If you have property rights while on welfare, you have the right to vote. If you are protected against unlawful search and seizure, and everything else, while on welfare, you have the right to vote. anything else is disgusting.
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I'd limit voting rights to citizens but otherwise agree. I'd include all residents in district apportionments since they're subject to the laws Congress passes.
 
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EasternVol said:
How about resident aliens? I knew an English guy who tried to disregard his draft notice on the grounds that he was a subject of the Queen. He lost that debate but won an expense paid tour of Vietnam.
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No. Your friend could have just went back to England, I guess he thought Vietnam was a better option.
 
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hog88 said:
I see that you're going Luther on us with dumbazz scenarios?

I'll just put this so your simple mind can understand it. A minor has only the rights their parents allow them to have.
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how is it dumb? Its literally taking your stance and applying it. you do believe in infringements, you just ignore that fact when its inconvenient to you and deflect away.

minors very specifically have rights, a lot of times to protect them from those same parents. they still have the same protections an adult has under our laws, the parents are almost irrelevant to that fact.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Without addressing the rest of it, you realize the country pretty much started that way, right?
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yeah, and we moved away from that within the process set forth by the Constitution.

we also had slaves, didn't let them vote, or women.
 
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hog88 said:
Luther hack your account?

The 13th and 14th amendment allow restriction of rights to incarcerated felons.
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so you believe in infringements. glad you are finally admitting that.

guns are never specifically mentioned in either of those.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
We are already there. Dont pay your property taxes and see just how long it is before you lose your right to own said property
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and so now you are FOR property taxes?

I would rather FIX issues to protect rights, rather than create new issues to take away more rights.
 
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hog88 said:
No. Your friend could have just went back to England, I guess he thought Vietnam was a better option.
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I don't know if he'd even been to England since he was a kid. As he told it, once the MP's grabbed him he didn’t get a choice; he was in the Army. Anyway he lived through it.
 
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