Gabe Lazo Out

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KnoxLikeUs said:
What sense does that even make? This stuff is become unhealthy for posters this detached from reality.
Is this a 1 year coach? Who gives a crap about what Kim or Dawn thinks when the headlines are overwhelming positive on social media concerning this hire.
Florida State was ranked as a Top 20 team for years during Coach Ferreira tenure. Saying anything to try to make a point that isn’t even a a good argument is just crazy. This guy has coached for over 10 years and had a lot of success. You don’t understand what embarrassing is if you think this fits that description.
His resume before coming to Tennessee is better than Coach Lazo resume before coming to Tennessee. I promise you would’ve never spoken Coach Lazo name if he hadn’t coached here in Knoxville. I wish him well but you are flat out wrong.
Let’s stop just making crap up.
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Please put the Red Bull down.
My post was in response to someone saying that perhaps this hire meant some folks in the coaching community think this system etc might work out. My point was having an assistant coach from an unsuccessful program sign on did not support that theory IMO.
The head shaking from Kim and Dawn is more like they pity the shell of a former great program we have become. Sort of like the train wreck you can not avert your eyes from. That is what is embarrassing. Nothing to do with our new assistant coach. Hopefully he is a great offensive mind.
 
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What in the world are you talking about? Do you know what either of those coaches first seasons looked like before building a program that competed for championships? And until this day South Carolina, Baylor, or LSU is anything close to the program Tennessee is and will always be. So again how in the heck can either of the pity a program that’s a top 2 program of all-time. I don’t want to hear about 15 or 20 years history/tradition is always relevant.
You people act like Tennessee is supposed to be great every single year.
That’s just nonsense.

Lucy said:
Please put the Red Bull down.
My post was in response to someone saying that perhaps this hire meant some folks in the coaching community think this system etc might work out. My point was having an assistant coach from an unsuccessful program sign on did not support that theory IMO.
The head shaking from Kim and Dawn is more like they pity the shell of a former great program we have become. Sort of like the train wreck you can not avert your eyes from. That is what is embarrassing. Nothing to do with our new assistant coach. Hopefully he is a great offensive mind.
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volfan102455 said:
The report said he resigned but many have translated that into CKC fired him.
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You never know what transpired. Heck, Gabe might have an offer from South Carolina or Texas and it can't be announced until after the Final Four. Or maybe he's trying to make up his mind between two offers and resigned. Maybe he's got personal issues and needs a year off. Maybe he won the lottery. Or maybe he told DW "it's her or me." Lots of possibilities.
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
What in the world are you talking about? Do you know what either of those coaches first seasons looked like before building a program that competed for championships? And until this day South Carolina, Baylor, or LSU is anything close to the program Tennessee is and will always be. So again how in the heck can either of the pity a program that’s a top 2 program of all-time. I don’t want to hear about 15 or 20 years history/tradition is always relevant.
You people act like Tennessee is supposed to be great every single year.
That’s just nonsense.
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It didn't used to be nonsense. It used to be true.
 
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spojo13 said:
And who’s the head coach that brought those recruits and assistants in? I know you have mentioned that she did a terrible job with roster construction and that’s exactly my point. If she brought all of these assistants and players in that were no good, then what should give anyone confidence in her ability to hire the right assistants or recruit the right recruits now?
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I think it is pretty obvious that she did a poor job in constructing her roster. I don’t trust her at all but I hope she is successful and will be cheering for her. Go Lady Vols!!
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
What in the world are you talking about? Do you know what either of those coaches first seasons looked like before building a program that competed for championships? And until this day South Carolina, Baylor, or LSU is anything close to the program Tennessee is and will always be. So again how in the heck can either of the pity a program that’s a top 2 program of all-time. I don’t want to hear about 15 or 20 years history/tradition is always relevant.
You people act like Tennessee is supposed to be great every single year.
That’s just nonsense.
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It is not nonsense. And if you don't believe that, then maybe you have not followed LV basketball very long.

Like UCONN is supposed to be great every single year, so is Tennessee.

We haven't changed coaches 3 times since Pat stepped down to be mediocre.
 
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UConn just went several years without winning a national championship before last season. They had been average a few years at the start of Geno career.
Not a single sports franchise in history that includes Tennessee and UConn has been great every year and telling lies on this forum won’t ever change that fact. Tennessee is still and will always be in a league of their own regardless of 1,2, 5, or 10-15 years. Because the history and tradition of this program over time is what makes it special.
You folks don’t understand sports and that’s okay with me it won’t change my perspective.

volfan102455 said:
It is not nonsense. And if you don't believe that, then maybe you have not followed LV basketball very long.

Like UCONN is supposed to be great every single year, so is Tennessee.

We haven't changed coaches what 3 times since Pat stepped down to be mediocre.
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KnoxLikeUs said:
UConn just went several years without winning a national championship before last season. They had been average a few years at the start of Geno career.
Not a single sports franchise in history that includes Tennessee and UConn has been great every year and telling lies on this forum won’t ever change that fact. Tennessee is still and will always be in a league of their own regardless of 1,2, 5, or 10-15 years. Because the history and tradition of this program over time is what makes it special.
You folks don’t understand sports and that’s okay with me it won’t change my perspective.
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Don't confuse "great" with winning NC - but I will tell you what great isn't. It is going 16-14, losing 8 in a row - being embarrassed on the court - looking disorganized on the court. etc.
 
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spojo13 said:
He’s coming off a season where the team he was helping to coach went 10-21. Florida State is in worse shape than we currently are, and he’s jumping off a sinking ship. If he was a hot coaching commodity coming from a good program, he more than likely wouldn’t be here. Being here for one year, he’s not going to get the blame if we go in another direction after next year. Also, we pay as much money for assistants as a lot of mid majors pay head coaches. There’s plenty of reasons to come.
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And, if he gets lucky and TN improves (and they almost HAVE TO!) he can take the credit.
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
You aren’t qualified to even speak on it. Just sit to posting your opinions as I will do. Leave it at that.
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Actually, I have been following LV's basketball since Pat Summitt's third year.

I think it is you who is not qualified to speak of the expectations of the program. I get it you need to make excuses for CKC and why mediocre is good enough.

Those like me who have followed LV's basketball for a very long time expect SEC titles, deep runs in the NCAA tournament and the team to look competitive even when they lose. Those are not 'nice to have' - those are expectations.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Actually, I have been following LV's basketball since Pat Summitt's third year.

I think it is you who is not qualified to speak of the expectations of the program. I get it you need to make excuses for CKC and why mediocre is good enough.

Those like me who have followed LV's basketball for a very long time expect SEC titles, deep runs in the NCAA tournament and the team to look competitive even when they lose. Those are not 'nice to have' - those are expectations.
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Exactly!
 
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glv98 said:
I’m sorry, did your post not just say that they were forced to let Gabe go while the new guy was available? That clearly implies new guy is an upgrade right?

others have said the exact same thing about every player now departed.

Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion that every move has been an upgrade.
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It does not. It could imply that they knew Gabe would be leaving one way or another and wanted to get ahead of it, or that things just generally weren't working out with Gabe, so they wanted a replacement even if it might be a "downgrade" in coaching or recruiting talent/resume, but maybe a better fit. Lots of possible explanations, but this board no longer sees anything beyond stark black and white.
 
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glv98 said:
If Gabe was wrong about these recruits, then so were all the recruiting experts who rate recruits and all the professional media who rate recruiting classes. And all the media and coaches would’ve also been wrong that these recruits should add up to a top 10 team this year. All of these people make their living watching and rating college basketball players.

So maybe those players did have great potential and just got buried in a system that’s horrible for development and in a toxic environment the coach had no control over. That could be the possible connection.
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Or that the players were not recruited in a way that resulted in a cohesive roster for this system. The lack of 3-point shooting ability was a red flag from the day that the roster was finalized (which the coaches admitted to all summer).

I also think you're right about the toxic environment and that is on all of the coaches for not getting a handle on it during the season, but it should also be the job of the recruiters (and head coach) to assess during recruitment -- and I'm not sure they did a good job of that.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Actually, I have been following LV's basketball since Pat Summitt's third year.

I think it is you who is not qualified to speak of the expectations of the program. I get it you need to make excuses for CKC and why mediocre is good enough.

Those like me who have followed LV's basketball for a very long time expect SEC titles, deep runs in the NCAA tournament and the team to look competitive even when they lose. Those are not 'nice to have' - those are expectations.
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Yeah, while I have no idea if it applies to KLU or not, I do sometimes sense that a significant number of posters here are relatively new to following Lady Vols basketball. In comparison to those of us who've been obsessed with it for 40-plus years, folks who've followed a decade or less are naturally less likely to have the same depth of knowledge about the history of the program and the fanship than those who have been adult fans/season ticket holders/supporters of the program for literally longer than they have been alive.

That said, their thoughts and opinions obviously count. It takes a village.
 
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lvocd said:
Yeah, while I have no idea if it applies to KLU or not, I do sometimes sense that a significant number of posters here are relatively new to following Lady Vols basketball. In comparison to those of us who've been obsessed with it for 40-plus years, folks who've followed a decade or less are naturally less likely to have the same depth of knowledge about the history of the program and the fanship than those who have been adult fans/season ticket holders/supporters of the program for literally longer than they have been alive.

That said, their thoughts and opinions obviously count. It takes a village.
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Agree - Just know that it was clear when she was hired that the goal was championships not to end up in a drastic rebuilding year in year 3.

I think some of the younger fans would understand the history better if they would just go watch the new documentary on Pat Summitt. She set the expectations for herself, her players, the university and women's basketball.
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
Funny thing is, people in here are screaming in a group of 10s… when it’s literally hundreds of people on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram saying this is a great hire. This forum has a pocket of fans that simply have no grasp on reality. Nobody is remotely treating this as a bad hire. It is completely the opposite. And that’s coming from people with absolutely no ties to Tennessee. It’s astonishing to sit back and look at the baseless and ridiculous takes… when satisfyingly knowing that it doesn’t go anywhere past these threads.
I love it here🍊.
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yeah it is amusing to watch at times. it gives "piling on" a whole new meaning
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
What sense does that even make? This stuff is become unhealthy for posters this detached from reality.
Is this a 1 year coach? Who gives a crap about what Kim or Dawn thinks when the headlines are overwhelming positive on social media concerning this hire.
Florida State was ranked as a Top 20 team for years during Coach Ferreira tenure. Saying anything to try to make a point that isn’t even a a good argument is just crazy. This guy has coached for over 10 years and had a lot of success. You don’t understand what embarrassing is if you think this fits that description.
His resume before coming to Tennessee is better than Coach Lazo resume before coming to Tennessee. I promise you would’ve never spoken Coach Lazo name if he hadn’t coached here in Knoxville. I wish him well but you are flat out wrong.
Lets stop just making crap up.
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You can’t even spell his name correctly 🤣🤣. Dude has coached where..??? His resume reeks of bottom dwelling teams. What was his success?
 
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Is this the best you got? This is a waste of energy on your behalf. You sound pretty desperate at this point. Before Tennessee for both coaches in this scenario his resume is easily the more impressive.
Coach Ferrara has already coached at Florida State, Florida, and St. John among others. Coach Lazo only job comparable to those three was Mississippi State. To try to discredit this coach and praise Coach Lazo as some of you do based solely on Tennessee name/success before Coach Ferrara coaches his first game at Tennessee is comical.
Wait to see how performs in this role before talking as if this guy isn’t a quality coach. His resume as I’ve said is far more complete than some of the previous coaches even beyond the current staff including Coach Lazo who is moving on that Tennessee has had in awhile.

ScreamingEagleVol said:
You can’t even spell his name correctly 🤣🤣. Dude has coached where..??? His resume reeks of bottom dwelling teams. What was his success?
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