FSU Freshman QB Deandre Johnson Indefinitely Suspended

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k-town_king said:
Nothing to disagree about. The video clearly shows what happened. They walk up, she turns and says something smart, she then tries to block him from the bar, she raises a fist to threaten him and he tries to keep from being hit, she then kicks him and swings on him, then he defends himself.

I don't believe in hitting women. I also don't believe in letting someone assault you, male or female.
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So you think that Klubber Lang knockout was "fending off assault"?
 
#153
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k-town_king said:
Nothing to disagree about. The video clearly shows what happened. They walk up, she turns and says something smart, she then tries to block him from the bar, she raises a fist to threaten him and he tries to keep from being hit, she then kicks him and swings on him, then he defends himself.

I don't believe in hitting women. I also don't believe in letting someone assault you, male or female.
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There's plenty to disagree about.

Take this thread for instance.
 
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BearCat204 said:
It actually does look like he has a hold of her left arm as well right before he throws his punch, but doesnt look like it before she had already thrown her punch with the left arm. JMO
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She was clearly the aggressor and escalated the situation with her words and gestures. She was also not a physical threat to him and didn't have a scholarship to lose. Who cares who's charged legally? It's a misdemeanor...he lost by his choice of actions. Can't dispute that.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I dont see where he has grasp of her left arm until after she extends it to his chest. Maybe I'm blind.......but even if he did, does this absolve her of any wrongdoing? Why is the athlete the only one being charged?
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If he had control of her arm prior to her raising her fist, what exactly is the "wrongdoing" she should be absolved of? Any reasonable act in self-defense is not assault.
 
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k-town_king said:
Nothing to disagree about. The video clearly shows what happened. They walk up, she turns and says something smart, she then tries to block him from the bar, she raises a fist to threaten him and he tries to keep from being hit, she then kicks him and swings on him, then he defends himself.
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You might be right, except that none of that is what is shown by the video.
 
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bamawriter said:
If he had control of her arm prior to her raising her fist, what exactly is the "wrongdoing" she should be absolved of? Any reasonable act in self-defense is not assault.
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I dont see that in the video, I see that he did have some control of her left arm after she hit him. Again, maybe I am just not seeing what you are.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I dont see that in the video, I see that he did have some control of her left arm after she hit him. Again, maybe I am just not seeing what you are.
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The video must be reversed on your screen, because when he punches her, he's holding her right arm with his left, and he punches her with his right. Her left arm is free and and she has just pulled it back about halfway following her punch to his left shoulder.
 
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butchna said:
So you think that Klubber Lang knockout was "fending off assault"?
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I think once you verbally and physically assault someone you deserve the consequences. Strength and physical stature don't change who the aggressor was. They were both clearly wrong. She did start it and assault him first though.
 
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bamawriter said:
The video must be reversed on your screen, because when he punches her, he's holding her right arm with his left, and he punches her with his right. Her left arm is free and and she has just pulled it back about halfway following her punch to his left shoulder.
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Dude, I dont see how you can conclusively determine that his right arm is holding her left arm. I just dont see it and no my video isnt reversed and no I'm not blind. You are assuming he is holding her arm, thats the only conclusion I can come up with because from that angle you cant determine that for a fact. JMO and I know its different from yours.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Dude, I dont see how you can conclusively determine that his right arm is holding her left arm.
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But now you're saying that after she hit him he has control of her left arm. When does that happen?

"Opinions" and "interpretations" are all well and good, but you are describing events that are easily seen to be false.
 
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bamawriter said:
But now you're saying that after she hit him he has control of her left arm. When does that happen?

"Opinions" and "interpretations" are all well and good, but you are describing events that are easily seen to be false.
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From the video, all I can see as far as his right arm and her left arm seems to be that he had some control of it right after she hit him and just right before he hit her. I dont see him having control of her left arm other than that. You want to assume he has control of her left arm without ever seeing his right arm control her left arm at any moment outside of what I mentioned earlier, anytime in the video. From the angle the video was taken, you cant determine that to be a fact.
 
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bamawriter said:
You are delusional.
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You are biased. If you look at the video she clearly starts the whole thing.

5 sec mark she turns and says something, 14 sec mark, after trying to block him from the bar, she turns and raises her right fist to threaten him,20 sec mark she tries to kick him in the groin then swings on him.

You can debate whether he should have hit her back. She clearly was the aggressor and assaulted him first though.
 
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k-town_king said:
You are biased. If you look at the video she clearly starts the whole thing.

5 sec mark she turns and says something, 14 sec mark, after trying to block him from the bar, she turns and raises her right fist to threaten him,20 sec mark she tries to kick him in the groin then swings on him.

You can debate whether he should have hit her back. She clearly was the aggressor and assaulted him first though.
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Disagree. He started and finished
 
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1. They show up at the same time (1:45 in the video)
a)she gets a spot at the bar
b)he excuses himself past the girl who had been there, and has marked his place at the bar with both hands.
c)she turns around to say something to him, he ignores it.
2. he has to squeeze past the "victim" to get to his spot. (1:53)
a)he has a space at the bar, again he has his hands there
b)he gets stuck for a moment
3. things open up and he tries to get to the bar, at this point both hands are still on the bar
4. she freaks out and flips around, at this point he has still done nothing, both hands on the bar, not like he felt her up on the way past. (1:54)
5. she has completely turned around and engaged him, he still has one hand on the bar, clearly not fully engaged with the girl at this point, looks like he is facing the bar (1:55)
a)she already has her fist up
6. He is now looking at her, after she has been talking/yelling at him (1:56)
a)he still has a hand on the bar, hardly an act of the offender
b)she still has a fist raised while we see the other one pretty close to his body.
c) can't see his other hand
7. after a few seconds of her fist up the whole time her yelling, he grabs her fist, this is the first time both of his hands are off the bar. still can't see the right. The right hand has a wrist band, I kept looking for that clear identifier and dont see it until the punch.(1:58)
8. He drags her fist down and shoves her back (1:59)
9. at the two minute mark he has her hand pinned against her body and her leg lashes out. Can't tell if actual contact was made there. and her left arm looks extended but can't see it or his right hand.
10. he is still controlling her right arm, and someone else steps in to presumably calm the situation down, looks like this third person grabs his left arm (2:01)
11. she throws a left hook, any combination of drunkeness, use of left vs right, and or intention causes a clear punch to hit him high on the body, impossible to tell where it lands
12. she gets decked and he walks away. (2:04)

this whole thing evolves over 19 seconds. both need to be arrested. pretty jacked up how little reaction there is to this incident. in the bar fights i have seen the bar tenders and or bouncers are all over it, not the case here. makes me wonder if either there is a tendency at the bar for this action or if she is a regular at this. either would be speculation on my part at this point.
 
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Things I don't see as being debatable:

She gets to the bar first.

He tries to squeeze in.

She raises a right fist.

His left hand grabs her right arm.

She swings with a left fist.

He connects with a right fist.

What I do not see is any kicking, or what happens before they enter the screen. I also do not know a single word that is said.

My personal opinion, if you punch someone in a bar, you should be kicked out or arrested. That is not a placed anyone is forced to go, both parties were free to walk away at any time.

I have been punched by a female in a bar. I was pissed, very pissed. I was so pissed off at that drunk girl that I walked to the other end of the bar and ordered my drink. I proceeded with a fun night with my friends. Later, a bouncer came to ask me if I had been hit, I told him what happened. She was forced to leave. And no, I did not get stitches. Snitches win.
 
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bamawriter said:
Oh, his lawyer says she instigated it?

Well then case closed. Lock her up.
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Wasnt posting the link to give any credit to what the lawyer was saying, just that this is the first I have heard about her slinging around racial slurs......its irrelevant IMO though.
 
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