Fire Dave Hart

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99gator said:
All I am saying is that the grade on Butch is an "incomplete".

That's all I am saying.

If you want to pretend like we know already, one way or the other cool.

But, there has been no evidence, on the field, to conclusively show he is or is not the guy.
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Pretty much.

The "no talent, no depth" excuse is rapidly washing away.
 
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thetennlegend said:
Ever heard of perception? We have the perception of a fan base that is impossible to please and not very knowledgeable.
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Impossible to please? Are you kidding me? You do realize the petition was created after Cuonzo Martin, who had a loaded roster, was swept by Billy Freaking Kennedy and lost to UTEP to start the season. We barely made the tournament with one of the most talented rosters UT has ever had. If we are so hard to please, why did we finish 13th in attendance this season with a team that finished with a .500 record and couldn't win at home? GTFO
 
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govols24 said:
Impossible to please? Are you kidding me? You do realize the petition was created after Cuonzo Martin, who had a loaded roster, was swept by Billy Freaking Kennedy and lost to UTEP to start the season. We barely made the tournament with one of the most talented rosters UT has ever had. If we are so hard to please, why did we finish 13th in attendance this season with a team that finished with a .500 record and couldn't win at home? GTFO
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I'm talking about public perception. The perception is we ran a sweet 16 out of town basically because he was black. Do I believe martin could coach a middle school team? Heck no he was awful. Attendance is irrelevant I never said we weren't a loyal fan base everyone knows and understands that.
 
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thetennlegend said:
Ever heard of perception? We have the perception of a fan base that is impossible to please and not very knowledgeable.
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Yes, and that is your personal perception, and one I disagree with. My perception is that we have one the most passionate and loyal fanbases in the entire sporting world. One that many coaches would like to represent. However, that wasn't even my point. I doubt any coach who is looking at UT would be coming to Volnation to see what posters are saying, and then using that information to base their decision.
 
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thetennlegend said:
I'm talking about public perception. The perception is we ran a sweet 16 out of town basically because he was black. Do I believe martin could coach a middle school team? Heck no he was awful. Attendance is irrelevant I never said we weren't a loyal fan base everyone knows and understands that.
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jspvol76 said:
Yes, and that is your personal perception, and one I disagree with. My perception is that we have one the most passionate and loyal fanbases in the entire sporting world. One that many coaches would like to represent. However, that wasn't even my point. I doubt any coach who is looking at UT would be coming to Volnation to see what posters are saying, and then using that information to base their decision.
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I agree our fan base is fantastic and loyal and wants to win. Those are all good things but when you run a sweet 16 coach out of town and there are rumors of some racial issues that's not good. Listen the national perception of Tennessee is that we are unrealistic. We have been thru what three coaches in the last four years? Great selling point for a big name guy...
 
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thetennlegend said:
I agree our fan base is fantastic and loyal and wants to win. Those are all good things but when you run a sweet 16 coach out of town and there are rumors of some racial issues that's not good. Listen the national perception of Tennessee is that we are unrealistic. We have been thru what three coaches in the last four years? Great selling point for a big name guy...
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You know what sells the big names? Big money with long term guarantees. There's no guarantee that any coach will win big in a particular place and time so each hire has an element of uncertainty. When you go all in and commit massive resources to land the big fish and it doesn't work out heads have to roll. If you don't commit much and things go south you can survive as evidenced by the present situation. What we have at UTK is a bunch of nutless bureaucrats who are more interested in cya and deniability for the sake of their own jobs than they are about making bold moves. It's my opinion but that's how I see it.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
You know what sells the big names? Big money with long term guarantees. There's no guarantee that any coach will win big in a particular place and time so each hire has an element of uncertainty. When you go all in and commit massive resources to land the big fish and it doesn't work out heads have to roll. If you don't commit much and things go south you can survive as evidenced by the present situation. What we have at UTK is a bunch of nutless bureaucrats who are more interested in cya and deniability for the sake of their own jobs than they are about making bold moves. It's my opinion but that's how I see it.
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I agree pony up and pay someone and we probably aren't having this conversation. I do think now tho that alot of the big name guys will pass on us.
 
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I don't think Hart will be fired over all of this. I also though Tyndall would survive it all too, so who knows. He needs to man up and get us a real coach. The rest of the SEC seems to be getting serious about basketball now. It's time we do too.
 
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Also, I think Tyndall was his second choice. He tried to go after I believe it was the La Tech coach but was spurned so he made the Tyndall hire real quick within a week to make it look like he was his first choice. Hart's a bumbler but most politicians are.
 
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PennVol said:
Giving Credit to Hart for hiring Butch Jones is like giving credit to a guy who trips over his own shoe laces and finds a diamond. He tried to hire a whole bunch of other goons who made his search look like a computer geek asking around for a prom date. We are stuck with him for the time being, and the only way we get a good basketball coach is if Hart trips on to a "search firm".
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Volbackhomefromtx said:
I don't see how one can say that Hart gets a pass if he is not fired for his decision to hire Tyndall. It is now part of his record.

For me, the athletic program is the sum of Hart's handling of the UT administration in support of sports, his handling of finances, keeping sports infrastructure at state of the art levels, making sure Tennessee's athletes are scholar athletes, being the guardian of UT's reputation nationwide, in addition to his hiring and firing of coaches for all sports. Relative to his performance of the job, I expect him to have integrity, personal accountability and represent UT very well.

Each person can assess each aspect of his performance and come up with his/her own conclusion about whether or not the sum total of Hart's "body of work" (Butchism) is worth or unworthy of retention.

Another aspect of Hart's not getting a pass for hiring and having to fire Tyndall is VolNation. I'm sure he will hear about it as long as he is athletic director at UT and until his death. Nothing ever dies with VolNation.
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so hows he doing with the rep part, UT is everybodies
joke right now, evryone knew about cdt except the man "who has the knowledge"(harts words) and quit throwing CBJ in this issue, this is about hiring dirty
 
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BeecherVol said:
Didn't realize they still fielded a team.
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Sure do. And they have a great coach as well. Took 2 different teams to the College World Series. Hope he has a chance to turn it around before the nutjob fans run him off without an idea as to who to replace him with.Seems to be a segment of our fan bases ammo. Can point out the problems, ignore the successes, and offer no legitimate solutions.
 
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Sandvol said:
Also, I think Tyndall was his second choice. He tried to go after I believe it was the La Tech coach but was spurned so he made the Tyndall hire real quick within a week to make it look like he was his first choice. Hart's a bumbler but most politicians are.
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So you're not even sure of your statement and you call someone else a 'bumbler'? Good job :good!:
 
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joevol320 said:
apparently the whole world knew about Tyndall's past, yet Hart didn't know and now he's going to approve the next hire?

what a debacle.
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Hart DID know about his past, as did everyone at Tennessee. Hart answered questions about it at the hiring presser. Hart talked to the people at SMU and the NCAA about his past. Apparently everyone but you knew about it. If you are posting Stuff, maybe it would be appropriated to know the fact before posting. That water is over the dam. Let it go and see what happens in the next 2-3 weeks. If we want a good basketball program, support for the new coach will go a long way toward restoring the BB program. One seldom succeed at anything with negative negative attitudes.
 
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good thing the XXL & XL sized $$ donors do not push the 'fire em all' button like many on here seem to do over & over again. But it does make for good reading and several chuckles. Keep on trucking.........
 
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TGVol said:
Dumb fan base paying price for their moronic petition. Unfortunately the effect will probably be similar to when CPF was fired - most likely UT basketball will be down for a long time, just like football has been.
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Did Gonzo make the tourney?:post-4-1090547912:
 
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GAVol said:
The notion that he's sabotaging the program because he went to school at Alabama is one of the 5 most retarded things that gets posted here.
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Yet, Hart is sabotaging the program, and he did go to Alabama.

Any correlation between these two facts is irrelevant. Hart must go.
 
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I hate fire him threads, but thus man has whiffed a lot. Seems to have controversy always around him. Reminds me of Thus idiot I know who is a principal.
 
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