Financial Factors - Rick Barnes

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Fulmer won 83% of his games with David Cutcliff, but dropped to 65% without him. Who knows how Barnes will fare post-Rob Lanier?

I guess UCLA will find out.
 
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Screw this ********.
Let Barnes go.
He is the 2nd highest paid head coach in the SEC and Rob Lanier was the 2nd highest paid assistant in the whole freaking country. Yes, you read that right.
Fulmer also gave raises to ALL the assistants and matched Oliver's salary to match the other assistants. Plus, UT just got the nicest locker room in the country. Barnes unhappy?
Well, GTFO then and we'll have coaches lined up to interview.
 
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What coaches will be lined up? Just curious, I’ll hang up and listen
 
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therealitytheory said:
Fulmer won 83% of his games with David Cutcliff, but dropped to 65% without him. Who knows how Barnes will fare post-Rob Lanier?

I guess UCLA will find out.
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Wow, that makes absolutely no sense and you have him gone already
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Sure, but at Tennessee it will take 2-3 years to develop a roster to be equipped to contend for a title.

Does he really want to spend 4 of his last 6 years being a bubble status team with hopes of having 1-2 good seasons like the past 2?
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Again, Barnes' fault. He refused to get in the muck of recruiting, which is fine by me, but that isn't going to change at UCLA. The reason Barnes has had lower rated talent isn't because of UT, but because he made it a point not to recruit in ways that skirt the edges, or go after kids that weren't choir boys.

UT is NOT a hard place to recruit to. It's not like you are trying to get 20-25 signees a year, and yet he ends up with Drew Pember at this point in his career?
Think about this. The way i see it is he knows he has a less than stellar roster coming back with Bone leaving. He knows he doesn't have a point guard, regardless of how many think James is one. He lost out on Tre Mann, which is who they wanted for the PG. How in the hell, do you offer Pember in the early signing period is beyond me. He may know that Grant is leaning towards leaving. Just lost his top assistant and may lose another. So, he'd be starting over anyway. Why not at a place that is a top 5 historical program. Barnes deserves a ton of credit for what he got out of this roster. The reality is that everyone that was head scratching over his recruiting may be seeing the problem manifest now. There were a lot of things that had to happen. You have a holdover in Admiral who became a gym rat. Local kid, who exceeded his expectations. A very capable scorer who was under recruited because of his height. A legacy PG who developed. When you look at the rest of the roster I don't see that hope. Walker, Johnson and Pons all have failed to impress or shine enough to make anyone get excited. Fulk will compete and if he beefs up will be a player. Turner and Bowden could both provide quality play, but only have one more year. James is the lone standout signee. The rest are very meh.
 
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Roustabout said:
Again, Barnes' fault. He refused to get in the muck of recruiting, which is fine by me, but that isn't going to change at UCLA. The reason Barnes has had lower rated talent isn't because of UT, but because he made it a point not to recruit in ways that skirt the edges, or go after kids that weren't choir boys.

UT is NOT a hard place to recruit to. It's not like you are trying to get 20-25 signees a year, and yet he ends up with Drew Pember at this point in his career?
Think about this. The way i see it is he knows he has a less than stellar roster coming back with Bone leaving. He knows he doesn't have a point guard, regardless of how many think James is one. He lost out on Tre Mann, which is who they wanted for the PG. How in the hell, do you offer Pember in the early signing period is beyond me. He may know that Grant is leaning towards leaving. Just lost his top assistant and may lose another. So, he'd be starting over anyway. Why not at a place that is a top 5 historical program. Barnes deserves a ton of credit for what he got out of this roster. The reality is that everyone that was head scratching over his recruiting may be seeing the problem manifest now. There were a lot of things that had to happen. You have a holdover in Admiral who became a gym rat. Local kid, who exceeded his expectations. A very capable scorer who was under recruited because of his height. A legacy PG who developed. When you look at the rest of the roster I don't see that hope. Walker, Johnson and Pons all have failed to impress or shine enough to make anyone get excited. Fulk will compete and if he beefs up will be a player. Turner and Bowden could both provide quality play, but only have one more year. James is the lone standout signee. The rest are very meh.
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Tennessee in Basketball is definitely tough to recruit to. And to say he wouldn't be able to recruit better at UCLA is hogwash. He wouldn't have to leave the city limits.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Tennessee in Basketball is definitely tough to recruit to. And to say he wouldn't be able to recruit better at UCLA is hogwash. He wouldn't have to leave the city limits.
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LA recruiting is crooked as hell.
UT is not difficult to recruit to. It is within 5 hour drive from multiple metro areas (Atlanta, Charlotte, Birmingham, Indy, Nashville). It's a power 5 job, has top 10 facilities. You are suffering from kicked dog syndrome.
 
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Roustabout said:
LA recruiting is crooked as hell.
UT is not difficult to recruit to. It is within 5 hour drive from multiple metro areas (Atlanta, Charlotte, Birmingham, Indy, Nashville). It's a power 5 job, has top 10 facilities. You are suffering from kicked dog syndrome.
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That's fine. UCLA can go 20 minutes and get kids.
 
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bigdaddy said:
What coaches will be lined up? Just curious, I’ll hang up and listen
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You're a damn fool if you don't think this job would be highly coveted. UT had the 2nd highest paid coach in the conference and 2nd highest paid assistant in the country. FACTS.

-Pay
-Practice facility.
-Arena (UT number eight in attendance in the whole country)
-Lockeroom.
-Region.

WTF is wrong with you inferiority complexed people?
 
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Roustabout said:
So what?
Bball, you are recruiting usually 3-5 kids at most per year.
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And if you are only having to travel within an hour drive to do that, it sure beats having to travel all over the South to recruit guys. Especially when you're driving to 4-5 stars vs flying to see 3 stars.
 
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Roustabout said:
You're a damn fool if you don't think this job would be highly coveted. UT had the 2nd highest paid coach in the conference and 2nd highest paid assistant in the country. FACTS.

-Pay
-Practice facility.
-Arena (UT number eight in attendance in the whole country)
-Lockeroom.
-Region.

WTF is wrong with you inferiority complexed people?
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That’s why I asked you and you have yet to give me an answer. Who is lined up to come here? Instead you spit hate vitriol my way.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
UCLA was able to get five 4-5 stars last year even with Alford on the way out.....

UCLA will always be able to get multiple 4-5 stars to commit year in and year out.

Tennessee will get a 1 or 2 big names every 3-4 years, but for the most part will have to develop the roster over 2-3 years before making major strides.

If you're Barnes and the only thing left to do in your career is win a Natty, you go to the place that is going to pay you and your staff major money while being able to walk out your backdoor to land multiple 4-5 stars every offseason......

Given what he did with Admiral, Grant, Kyle, and Bone, imagine what he could do with multiple top 100 recruits now that he has clearly rejuvenated himself
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Except a lot of those 4/5 stars aren't very coachable and have one foot out of the door from day one. I've said for a long time (and proven wrong, unfortunately) that the future of college basketball is to build a program with coachable 3 stars and add the pieces you need through juco/grad xfers. I still (humbly) believe that.
 
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jw0595 said:
Except a lot of those 4/5 stars aren't very coachable and have one foot out of the door from day one. I've said for a long time (and proven wrong, unfortunately) that the future of college basketball is to build a program with coachable 3 stars and add the pieces you need through juco/grad xfers. I still (humbly) believe that.
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Doesn't matter what their mindset is. Barnes is a great coach and can do more with less. To say he couldn't coach those top guys is insane.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
And if you are only having to travel within an hour drive to do that, it sure beats having to travel all over the South to recruit guys. Especially when you're driving to 4-5 stars vs flying to see 3 stars.
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If Barnes is flying to see 3 stars then he’s an idiot.
Again, UT has been a football power and that’s recruiting 25. B-ball recruiting is a piece of cake.
I also suggest you go take a look at UCLAs roster.
Warning, you’re going to look like a real idiot.
 
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bigdaddy said:
That’s why I asked you and you have yet to give me an answer. Who is lined up to come here? Instead you spit hate vitriol my way.
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I said, if the job is open. It’s not. I didnt spew any vitriol. I said you’d have to be a fool “IF......,”
So, that’s on you. Stop being a kicked puppy and realize how good a program this is.
 
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Roustabout said:
If Barnes is flying to see 3 stars then he’s an idiot.
Again, UT has been a football power and that’s recruiting 25. B-ball recruiting is a piece of cake.
I also suggest you go take a look at UCLAs roster.
Warning, you’re going to look like a real idiot.
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UCLA had five 4-5 stars in last year's class. As expected, their class for 2019 is basically non existent with one 4 star currently committed.

Funny you think it is shocking that their current class would look bad with a 4 month coaching search being underway and March Madness isn't even over with.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
UCLA had five 4-5 stars in last year's class. As expected, their class for 2019 is basically non existent with one 4 star currently committed.

Funny you think it is shocking that their current class would look bad with a 4 month coaching search being underway and March Madness isn't even over with.
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I don’t think their class looks bad. I have no idea because I wasn’t talking about their current class. I’m talking about their roster. There are recruits from New York, Iowa, WV, Indiana, Kansas, Chicago and New Mexico.
Are you saying they didnt travel extensively to recruit those players? Nice job missing the point.
 
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Roustabout said:
I don’t think their class looks bad. There are recruits from New York, Iowa, WV, Indiana, Kansas, Chicago and New Mexico.
Are you saying they didnt travel extensively to recruit those players? Nice job missing the point.
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Alford recruited how he recruited and got kids from out of Cali.

Barnes wouldn't have to do it that way as LA has tons of top recruits year in and year out.....
That's like saying you used a grocery delivery service and I went to the market. We got fruit different ways, but doesn't mean there was a wrong way to do it.
 
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