Fake Injuries: Solution

[LWSVOL]

How do you do that? So you are going to eliminate the fast paced offense in the last 30 secs of a game? Who says defensive coaches get something? They haven’t in years. No one wants to see a 10-7 game. The reason Tennessee,ole Miss, OU are so popular is the offense. That sells. The TV networks want offense & schools are addicted to TV money

How do you do any of it? votes and the most votes gets it... if Mathews is right, see what comes out of coaches convention this month..

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

These injuries can't be evaluated in real time. Some are impossible to verify. Example: I tell you I have a headache when I don't. How do you verify it? Substitute injury of choice with word headache.. Cramp, ankle sprain, stinger, etc.

I'm thinking more in terms of concussion evaluation. Like you say, other injuries are too easy to hide. Player safety towards head injuries is trending, hopefully that means incorporation of a neutral medical staffers in the future.

 

[Batman1948]

It's simple. you dont do anything for a first 'offense'. I use that word because players legitimately go down sometimes. the second time it happens, for the players safety and to limit it as a strategy, the player sits out the rest of that possession. neither players nor coaches are going to do that often and lose a player for the rest of the drive.

You have 11 players on defense----that's a lot of first-time injuries. Your method accomplishes nothing

 

[cncchris33]

I would be ok with a defensive player having to sit out a series. Not sure about an offensive player though having to sit out (especially a QB or WR).

Yeah, I can't think of an advantage to the offense faking an injury, and there is already a safeguard in place for it if it's an attempt to save time under two minutes.

It really only benefits the defense throughout the entire game, so I think it's certainly appropriate to only penalize the defense. Sitting out 5 plays is an appropriate penalty and will certainly curb the fake injuries.

 

[Tennman]

I agree with the scenario of a defensive player when leaving the field due to injury, which stops play, cannot return for the remainder of the current offensive series .

 

[VolPack22]

If they are coming off the field due to injury and the game has to stop then they should be required to be examined by a neutral doctor in the tent or locker room for 15 minutes. If the doctor deems no injury occurred then you are assessed a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and the other team can choose to enforce it immediately during the current drive or the next drive.

 

[LWSVOL]

These injuries can't be evaluated in real time. Some are impossible to verify. Example: I tell you I have a headache when I don't. How do you verify it? Substitute injury of choice with word headache.. Cramp, ankle sprain, stinger, etc.

So there is not a problem then, right? how do fans evaluate them watching on TV or sitting in section PP???

 

[LWSVOL]

I agree with the scenario of a defensive player when leaving the field due to injury, which stops play, cannot return for the remainder of the current offensive series .

So thousands of players playing by the rules and get a cramp, the breath knocked out of them or a slight twisted ankle have to come off and can't go back in until the next series? So a few penalize the masses..

 

[wmcovol]

How do you do any of it? votes and the most votes gets it... if Mathews is right, see what comes out of coaches convention this month..

I’ll admit I’m not sure how rule changes occur but I suspect it’s thru a committee of coaches/administrators. Make up of the committee will determine but I doubt a trend toward more defense is the direction they’ll go. JMO thou.

 

[golfballs]

So thousands of players playing by the rules and get a cramp, the breath knocked out of them or a slight twisted ankle have to come off and can't go back in until the next series? So a few penalize the masses..

To play devils advocate, basketball has come up w flopping calls. At the very least these clowns will need to be a little more believable than to look at the sideline before collapsing on the field. It can be done. But no way the NCAA even broaches the subject

 

[thistime]

1.) 1st timeout injured D player must set out the remainder of O teams possession.

2.) 2nd timeout injured player must set out remainder of half or 2 O team possessions.

3) 3rd timeout disqualification.

4) More than one player on the same drive loss of timeout or 15 yard penalty.

 

[IndianaVol]

To play devils advocate, basketball has come up w flopping calls. At the very least these clowns will need to be a little more believable than to look at the sideline before collapsing on the field. It can be done. But no way the NCAA even broaches the subject

Agree. This is one of those issues that everyone agrees something needs to be done, but there isn't a solution that fits most situations so nothing will likely ever be instituted.

It will be up to the offensive gurus like Heupel to design plays around defensive flopping.

 

[wmcovol]

So thousands of players playing by the rules and get a cramp, the breath knocked out of them or a slight twisted ankle have to come off and can't go back in until the next series? So a few penalize the masses..

Legitimate injuries are more than the flops. There must be a way for players “shook up” to re-enter without penalty. That’s why I like a number of injury TOs allowed and ways coaches can take a TO or penalty w/o forcing players to sit. Coaches will NOT burn their reg TOs or take DOG penalties intentionally

 

[Aerie Vol]

What happens if with a 1:28 left in game and your team is down by 6 points and the QB gets the breath knocked out of him at your own 20 yard line? Then he has to sit the rest of the game? How does the rule help there?

Offense doesn't fake injury. In your scenario there is already a penalty - loss of timeout and player sits a play. The new rule will only apply to defense.

Period.

 

[Majors]

What happens if with a 1:28 left in game and your team is down by 6 points and the QB gets the breath knocked out of him at your own 20 yard line? Then he has to sit the rest of the game? How does the rule help there?

Might want to make sure you have a timeout in your pocket or take a 20 second runoff if under two mins.

 

[Fightmaker]

Any player that goes down like they have been hit by a sniper should be a 5 yard penalty. I just dont know how it would be enforceable. It has made games too dang long as it is. This year felt like the most TV timeouts ever...ugh. I hate that they allow the team to huddle with the coaches, I dont know what, but something has to be done

The NHL puts your ass in the box for embellishing an injury.

 

[TNnative]

Any coach who is caught encouraging flopping has to be the guy in the dunking booth.



The dunking booth is stocked with hungry piranha.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I agree. Create a medical section on the bench and don't even let the player even leave the area until the current possession is over. Logically, if a player is injured, there needs to be sufficient time to evaluate the player's condition.

Medical Injury Penalty Box. From the Tent to the Bench.

What is the Penalty for this?

 

[LWSVOL]

my last comment which I've indicated in another post in the thread

I don't see anything happening with this anytime soon. I think they will struggle to find a solution that coaches can agree on. JMO

 

[WestTennesseeVol]

-No communication with coaches or players on the bench, any communication results in a loss of a timeout and challenge, if no timeouts or challenges, a 15 yard penalty and automatic first down

-Must sit out the rest of the series

-A second injury, must sit out two series

-A third injury, player must leave the game

-Create a neutral review staff that can determine if an injury is legitimate or a flop. A flop results in a 15 yard penalty and a loss of a timeout.

 

[JALove]

Hyams had a nice piece on this issue, and here's the solution which seems fair to all:

(1) Any "injured" player must sit out until the next 1st down; and

(2) No other substitutions on defense (other than the "injured" player) are allowed.

What say ye?

Don’t forget about coaches using designated floppers to give his team a blow…

 

[Capt Straight]

I think they should be made to stay out of game until next quarter. Fourth quarter flop-They are done for the game

 

[MontyPython]

No. Why can't it just be simple? Cause an injury timeout and you're out until the next change of possession.

I think the solution is a bit Draconian in that it would unfairly penalized legitimate injuries. For example, if a kid gets a cramp - which is actually very common during hot games - I think it would be unfair for that player to have to sit out the entire series.

 

[goldvol]

You have 11 players on defense----that's a lot of first-time injuries. Your method accomplishes nothing

yeah, 'cause losing starters doesn't affect a game.

 

[MontyPython]

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