Explosion in Boston?

[GAVol]

PA Abortion Clinic Worker: I Saw 10 Babies Breathe

PA Abortion Clinic Worker: I Saw 10 Babies Breathe - ABC News

But the murder of babies by these clinic doctors/workers is OK

So clearly the response should be an eye for an eye ....

How very Muslim of you.

 

[therealUT]

Right. It's a possibility. But there's a history of Chechens and radical Islam. So it's obviously not something that can be dismissed at the moment.

I understand that there is a history of Chechens and radical Islam. This kid is obviously a Muslim. I think it probable that he was exploited by certain radical Islamists. I think it probable that he is a radical Islamist. However, I also think it probable that was predisposed him to radical ideology (whether Islamic or Christian) might be rooted in the fact that he grew up in a war zone.

 

[AirVol]

MAV, there's a terrorist on the loose and you wanna talk about abortions?

 

[therealUT]

I don't remember the IRA bombing anyone in the USA.

Oh, we are limiting terrorists to only those who bomb the US...

What other constraints would you like to place upon your thinking so that you can assert that Islam is the problem?

 

[FLVOL_79]

Just a side note but these idiots probably just gave justification for Putin to do whatever the hell he wants to in Chechnya.

Good. After that Beslan mess I felt that country should be turned into a parking lot.

 

[GAVol]

I don't remember the IRA bombing anyone in the USA.

And there you have your real answer. It's not terrorism that affects your sensibilities. It's when it starts getting too close for comfort.

 

[GAVol]

MAV, there's a terrorist on the loose and you wanna talk about abortions?

The tunnel vision is astounding.

 

[FLVOL69]

I don't remember the IRA bombing anyone in the USA.

Good point...

 

[golfballs]

MAV, there's a terrorist on the loose and you wanna talk about abortions?

lol

 

[volmaverick]

MAV, there's a terrorist on the loose and you wanna talk about abortions?

I didnt bring up abortions first!

 

[Burhead]

I keep hearing they are not in fact from there but that's what the media is reporting....

 

[FLVOL_79]

Oh, we are limiting terrorists to only those who bomb the US...

What other constraints would you like to place upon your thinking so that you can assert that Islam is the problem?

Facts are facts.
What constraints have you applied to your thinking to somehow rationalize to yourself that it isn't the problem?

 

[golfballs]

BTW, if this bomber is lurking around your neighborhood, would you not want to have a gun with you?

 

[GAVol]

BTW, if this bomber is lurking around your neighborhood, would you not want to have a gun with you?

It would be kind of handy right about now.

 

[volprof]

Good. After that Beslan mess I felt that country should be turned into a parking lot.

I'm not trying to justify Chechen terrorism, but you do know that Russians have been murdering Chechens since at least the early to mid-1800s, right?

 

[FLVOL_79]

And there you have your real answer. It's not terrorism that affects your sensibilities. It's when it starts getting to close for comfort.

It's not that its too close for comfort. It's that these things will continue to happen because of human nature and while horrible there is nothing you can do to stop it in today's society. The only way to stop/prevent it would require draconian measures. But even if we got rid of all muslims, fundamentalist Christians, hipster eco-terrorists, etc, some nutbag is always going to find a way to do something crazy (Newtown).

And I think people tend to think that the world is going to hell in a hand basket but this stuff has been going on for thousands of years. Imagine what we would see if the Vikings were up to their old shenanigans in modern times...

 

[Burhead]

@ScottIsaacs 8m
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is a student at UMASS Dartmouth and was seen there this week AFTER the bombings #wcvb

 

[volprof]

if a couple posts taint your view of an entire forum then you are no better than those you ridicule

I didn't mean for that post to insult the entire board. If that's how it came across, then I apologize. I just meant to imply that it's hard to have a decent debate on here very often, although there are also plenty of good posters as well. Anyhow, my apologies.

 

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

I'm not trying to justify Chechen terrorism, but you do know that Russians have been murdering Chechens since at least the early to mid-1800s, right?

No he did not. That's over-thinking things, Occam's razor, etc...

 

[Godfatha]

Admittedly I don't have a great understanding of the Chechen-Russian conflict. Is it a nationalistic conflict or a religious one? Combination of both like northern Ireland?

 

[FLVOL_79]

I didn't mean for that post to insult the entire board. If that's how it came across, then I apologize. I just meant to imply that it's hard to have a decent debate on here very often, although there are also plenty of good posters as well. Anyhow, my apologies.

It's usually ok until the name calling starts. Words hurt :aggressive:

 

[therealUT]

Facts are facts.
What constraints have you applied to your thinking to somehow rationalize to yourself that it isn't the problem?

I have applied Ockham's razor:

Is Islam a sufficient condition of terrorism? No.

Is Islam a necessary condition of terrorism? No.

 

[utvolpj]

Anyone heard that these grew up in Kyrgyzstan as well?

from a Boston paper/site

The Tsarnaev family moved to Dagestan from Kyrgyzstan in 2001, a spokesman at a school the children attended told Russia Today.
“He arrived at our school in first grade and left in second,” Irina Bandurina, the secretary at Makhachkala’s School No.1, told RT. “They arrived from Kyrgyzstan and departed to the US. I’m telling you they lived here for a year. Not the whole year. They arrived at the school in 2001 and departed in March 2002 … There were four of them – two sisters and two brothers… It’s written here that they are from Kyrgyzstan. They are Chechens.”
Russia Today also reports that Dzhokar was born in Kyrgystan. He has two sisters Bella and Amina. The family moved to Russia with a status of refugee

 

[Burhead]

RT @lrozen So Dzokhar never lived in Chechnya. Born in Kyrgyzstan, in US since 7 or 8 yo Former Classmates Shocked By Boston Bomber's Crimes …

So....

 

[FLVOL_79]

Admittedly I don't have a great understanding of the Chechen-Russian conflict. Is it a nationalistic conflict or a religious one? Combination of both like northern Ireland?

Soviet Union falls, breakaway republic with ethnic Chechens (not Russians), predominantly Islamic (Sunni), chaos ensues.