Even More Obamacare Follies

[lawgator1]

Then how do you institute a single payer system without nationalizing hospitals and the doctors working in them?

What do you do with the student loan debt doctors and nurses carry with them for decades?

Easily. Its done now for Medicare and Medicaid. All that is going to happen is that those programs will expand to cover everyone, people will stop paying for basic health insurance, and FICA taxes will rise to offset that.

The providers do not become government employees.

 

[lawgator1]

Medicare is working well until it goes bankrupt. Solid system you're championing

That's because it is not funded properly or adequately. It is actually very efficient.

 

[Carl Pickens]

You have health insurance that cost you $20 a pay period and you are griping. You should be shot right between the eyes

Ain't that the truth? He is only 26 though. I've got a $6800 ded and my family coverage is still damn near $1000/ month.

 

[Carl Pickens]

That's because it is not funded properly or adequately. It is actually very efficient.

So is the post office and social security.

 

[govols/cc]

I know better than to expect direct, informed responses from you at this point, so I won't ask you to be any more specific or what your original point was going to be.

My bad I guess I gave you too much credit. You give off a false sense of intelligence by telling people how dumb they are. I can only assume you're a career student that actually knows nothing.

 

[Thrasher865]

My bad I guess I gave you too much credit. You give off a false sense of intelligence by telling people how dumb they are. I can only assume you're a career student that actually knows nothing.

You talk a lot but never actually make any points. Then when I ask you to, you just hurl passive-aggressive insults.

 

[govols/cc]

So if you're company didn't know how to balance a budget and therefor took money from your 401k, you wouldn't consider that stealing?

401k is managed by private investment firms.

 

[Carl Pickens]

60% over 17 years still isn't that impressive. It's probably 2-3% a year.

That number was based on the amount if time it takes to be treated by a specialist after a referral, not on premiums

 

[Thrasher865]

Why was your procedure 10x more than it should've been?

To subsidize write-offs from the uninsured.

That's part of it.

Okay? I must have missed your point.

Health care isn't overly inflated just because of non payer care. It's like everything else.

So were you going to make a point, or not? What is the "correct issue" to be focused on?

 

[lawgator1]

So is the post office and social security.

The post office is not analogous as those are federal employees.

Social Security, again, the problem is funding.

Single payor is not government employees. And it would not experience the financial issues with SS and Medicare because we'd be funding it every year, not on the basis of contributions of the workforce for retirees.

 

[govols/cc]

So were you going to make a point, or not? What is the "correct issue" to be focused on?

I already did.

 

[MG1968]

The post office is not analogous as those are federal employees.

Social Security, again, the problem is funding.

Single payor is not government employees. And it would not experience the financial issues with SS and Medicare because we'd be funding it every year, not on the basis of contributions of the workforce for retirees.

Ok, where does the funding come from? A VAT?

 

[hog88]

When a police officers is incompetent, is there no recourse for damages?

Check out the Protect and Serve thread.

 

[hog88]

So if you're company didn't know how to balance a budget and therefor took money from your 401k, you wouldn't consider that stealing?

That's not the way this works. It's not the way any of this works!

 

[utvolpj]

That's because it is not funded properly or adequately. It is actually very efficient.

Why should it be funded by anything but dollars from those receiving care? I believe the last figure I saw was $3 out for every dollar in. How is that efficient or sustainable?

 

[lawgator1]

Ok, where does the funding come from? A VAT?

No, an income tax increase. Can be flat, as far as I'm concerned. And you stop paying health insurance. Here's some info on it:

Single Payer System Cost? | Physicians for a National Health Program

 

[MG1968]

No, an income tax increase. Can be flat, as far as I'm concerned. And you stop paying health insurance. Here's some info on it:

Single Payer System Cost? | Physicians for a National Health Program

so, in other words, the burden is placed where it always has been, the middle class and up. The poor will make token contributions while using most of the resources.

brilliant system...

 

[hog88]

That's because it is not funded properly or adequately. It is actually very efficient.

Efficient? $75 to $250 BILLION per year in fraud?Extrapolate that out to the entire population and :banghead2:

ACA nor a single payer system will do anything to lower costs, it will just promote more fraud and waste.

How big is Medicare fraud? « Bankrate, Inc.

 

[McDad]

so, in other words, the burden is placed where it always has been, the middle class and up. The poor will make token contributions while using most of the resources.

brilliant system...

from each according to their ability to each according to their need.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You think you are invincible.

You aren't.

While I agree with you in principle, young people are playing the same risk analysis game that the insurance companies play, albeit not as sophisticated. Can you honestly say that you felt you needed comprehensive health insurance when you were his age? Did you USE it? I think catastrophic insurance for young people is the right play. Forcing them into more exotic types that they are unlikely to need is ludicrous.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

He doesn't have to get insurance.

But he will pay a fine if he decides not to. Which is fair! Because tax payer dollars are probably going to be used to pay his hospital bill if he is uninsured. So it makes sense to make him pay a fine.

It's not a fine. It's a tax. The Supremes said so.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

So if someone is raped or murdered, the police would only help find the suspect if paid?

wtf kinda system is that?

See the anarcho/capitalist thread.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Who's not paying? Is there a state, county or city in the US with no form of taxation?

I don't know. Since there is a large percentage that pay no taxes other than sales tax...

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Health care is a public good. I do not think that hospitals and doctors should be government employees. But I do think that there should be a single payor system. Now before you go ape claiming that they would pay so poorly that it would be a disincentive to medical providers, I'll point out that most insurance companies already use the feds system of DRG codes to assign reimbursement, and providers accept that.

Of course you do. You adore socialism. And single payer works so well in England.

 

[Vol8188]

It's not a fine. It's a tax. The Supremes said so.

And?