Empty Neyland Movement (#uncluttervolnation)

It's simple demand change now then for the players and the fans. Not when it's convenient for the powers.

The university takes the fans $$$ and gives them nothing in return.

The university makes MILLIONS OFF THE BACKS OF THE PLAYERS. And they still let a guy coach that cannot help the players only hurt them.

I hope this is broken down to the simplest point.

Players and fans are SUFFERING. The powers at UT are still making $$$ so no change for either.

FANS CAN FIX THIS for the fans & the players who are at risk of a bowl & use for the NFL

You are looking at a 4 game return that you have yet to convince anyone with a fact would be better than the current. Do you know for sure that any of the staff members want the interim gig? And if so, does the rest of the staff see him as a leader they would follow for a month to make it better? Hell, for that matter do any of them get along well enough to even consider that?

Fans are not fixing anything in the short term. Jones is gone, he's been gone. The next obstacle is luring the right guy. They foul that up, you have a new gripe. Currie didn't come here just to fire Jones. He came here to leaves his mark on the program with a long term fix.

When Jones started 17' you had what you had. The racket now is about the satisfaction of him being gone publically. Not the idea that after 4+ years under his management that things are gonna get better over night.
 
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It's clearly apparent state run radio has the tell me how I should feel as a "great Tennessee fan" agitated this morning.

Support it don't support it your choice.

But don't complain about anything if you support business as usual
 
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You are looking at a 4 game return that you have yet to convince anyone with a fact would be better than the current. Do you know for sure that any of the staff members want the interim gig? And if so, does the rest of the staff see him as a leader they would follow for a month to make it better? Hell, for that matter do any of them get along well enough to even consider that?

Fans are not fixing anything in the short term. Jones is gone, he's been gone. The next obstacle is luring the right guy. They foul that up, you have a new gripe. Currie didn't come here just to fire Jones. He came here to leaves his mark on the program with a long term fix.

When Jones started 17' you had what you had. The racket now is about the satisfaction of him being gone publically. Not the idea that after 4+ years under his management that things are gonna get better over night.

Please keep the ridiculous arguments coming. It makes the case and supports the movement.
 
It's clearly apparent state run radio has the tell me how I should feel as a "great Tennessee fan" agitated this morning.

Support it don't support it your choice.

But don't complain about anything if you support business as usual

Proof you are just a crybaby. Been listening all moring an there are plenty of complaints. They just want to remain respectful and know that there is no need to keep beating something that is already settled. Every host this moring has said CBJ will not be back next year, so why say anything else about it? Unless of course you want to sound like an idiot
 
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Proof you are just a crybaby. Been listening all moring an there are plenty of complaints. They just want to remain respectful and know that there is no need to keep beating something that is already settled. Every host this moring has said CBJ will not be back next year, so why say anything else about it? Unless of course you want to sound like an idiot

I'm not the one in here trying to tell people they are dumb for doing what they want to do.

I've said all along it's each persons choice and support each persons decision.

I hope you typed this response while YOU were looking into the mirror.
 
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I'm not the one in here trying to tell people they are dumb for doing what they want to do.

I've said all along it's each persons choice and support each persons decision.

I hope you typed this response while YOU were looking into the mirror.

Im not saying you are dumb. Im saying what you are advocating is dumb and makes you sound like an idiot.
And that you are wrong about what you said about "state run radio."
 
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Im not saying you are dumb. Im saying what you are advocating is dumb and makes you sound like an idiot.
And that you are wrong about what you said about "state run radio."

I know Alabama doesn't have state run radio for Tennessee football

Vol fan in Alabama
 
Please keep the ridiculous arguments coming. It makes the case and supports the movement.

Nice insight.

As in depth as the one I quoted.

I noticed your avi is of one of our possible options as a replacement. :good!:

Theoretically.
If JG verbally agreed to the job but didn't want to be named until the season was over and didn't want Jones fired until the season was over, do you tell him to "FO" I have a movement that demands change. And now!?
 
Nice insight.

As in depth as the one I quoted.

I noticed your avi is of one of our possible options as a replacement. :good!:

Theoretically.
If JG verbally agreed to the job but didn't want to be named until the season was over and didn't want Jones fired until the season was over, do you tell him to "FO" I have a movement that demands change. And now!?

Once again another guess on hope.

That's the point 14 years of hope and they must be thinking this or that.

It's time for fans to demand ACTION
 
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The decision to fire Butch or bring him back next season has already been made either way. No reason to not show up and support a bunch of guys who are trying to win in a very rough situation and season. Let's not be THAT fan base...oh wait, sadly we already are these days. :mad:
 
A lot of folks on here are saying that Butch has been fired...funny, I can't find a single article or statement from UT that says that. We have people who may or may not be insiders claiming that he was fired at different times throughout the year. Still haven't seen anything official. Interesting counterpoint is that some folks who should know are saying that Butch hasn't been fired, that Currie and Davenport don't want to fire him and Haslam doesn't want him fired.

there is a difference between don't want to and won't.

i said it all off season that there's no way they wanted to fire him this year and that if he finished 7-5/8-4 and was competitive, he'd be safe. that for them to fire him, he'd have to basically give them no choice but to do so.

and i think to date, he's done that. the regression is evident, the wins have been very (in some cases, too much so) competitive, and the losses have not been.

and we've lost to teams that are hard to ignore. and the margins to the others are hard to ignore. you can't be in year 5 and lose by 80+ points to two of your biggest rivals. you're not even competitive. and the gap, at least on paper, looks to be as wide as it was when he took the job. that's not good enough.

with 5 losses already, winless in the SEC, and games against two bottom feeders and a 2nd tier LSU team, 7 or 8 losses are not off the table, and given the offensive woes, it's likely to not look pretty either. i think the best we can do now is 6-6, and i'm not sure that happens.

i don't think he's still employed today to have the chance at saving his job. i think he's still employed today because there's nothing good to come of having a search going on in the middle of the season when you can't really hire anyone right now anyway.

and if he's employed until a certain date in december, i believe, the buyout goes down. it could also be to allow Jones and his agent time to test the market and see if there are going to be openings he's in the running for, also beneficial for TN financially, and could allow more resources to be used to hire the next guy.

and i'm not necessarily convinced that they're not firing him now so they can announce his dismissal and then announce the replacement in fairly short order....and eliminate that speculation time of who would be the replacement, and all the reporting on who's been contacted, who's declined interest, who's said no etc, etc, etc....we've been down that road before and it's not good either. we've fired Fulmer and Dooley early in the season and it didn't net us any advantage in finding their replacements, and it actually hurt us more perception wise as more and more information was made public about how bad both of those searches went....and the search after Kiffin wasn't pretty either.

and i do think Fulmer is in Currie's ear about how to handle this. good or bad, i think that's influencing him a bit as well.

the only real sin here is if there's really nothing going on behind the scenes. and i just can't get myself to believe that's the case.

i've seen no evidence that the players have quit, and though the season is shot, they at least have 4 games left to see if they can get anything together to go out on some positive note, even if it's a bowl game in Birmingham, Memphis or Shreveport. fire him after the Vandy game, let the interim coach the bowl, if there is one, and sometime in between that, you announce who the next coach is....i think that's probably the best of both worlds here....i think it i's more likely that we miss a bowl and a new coach is announced in the first week/10 days of December....i hope anyway.

the only thing i will say is if Currie hires a dud, how this was handled will come back to bite him...but even then, it's still about who's hired more than anything else.
 
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The decision to fire Butch or bring him back next season has already been made either way. No reason to not show up and support a bunch of guys who are trying to win in a very rough situation and season. Let's not be THAT fan base...oh wait, sadly we already are these days. :mad:

I must have missed the statement of Butch being fired at seasons end.

Where can I find that?

I mean if that decision has been made it would have been announced. Tennessee is 0-5 in SEC play.
It wouldn't hurt anything if this was the actual case at this moment.
 
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You are looking at a 4 game return that you have yet to convince anyone with a fact would be better than the current. Do you know for sure that any of the staff members want the interim gig? And if so, does the rest of the staff see him as a leader they would follow for a month to make it better? Hell, for that matter do any of them get along well enough to even consider that?

Fans are not fixing anything in the short term. Jones is gone, he's been gone. The next obstacle is luring the right guy. They foul that up, you have a new gripe. Currie didn't come here just to fire Jones. He came here to leaves his mark on the program with a long term fix.

When Jones started 17' you had what you had. The racket now is about the satisfaction of him being gone publically. Not the idea that after 4+ years under his management that things are gonna get better over night
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:thumbsup: spot. on.
 
Once again another guess on hope.

That's the point 14 years of hope and they must be thinking this or that.

It's time for fans to demand ACTION

UT has fired 2 (soon to be 3 ) coaches in 10 years. Firing coaches has not been UT's problem, the "hope" is that they can hire one.

That doesn't seem to be whats driving the movement however.
 
I know Alabama doesn't have state run radio for Tennessee football

Vol fan in Alabama

Theres this thing called the internet. On this internet you can stream sounds from far away lands, one of them being knoxville radio. It picks up, even in Alabama.
 
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Im not saying you are dumb. Im saying what you are advocating is dumb and makes you sound like an idiot.
And that you are wrong about what you said about "state run radio."

It's not dumb simply because you aren't partcipating. It's a means of expressing displeasure. Butts in seats and donations are the only thing that really talks to the UTAD. I don't begrudge someone if they attend Saturday, but I have made a decision not to. I am not going to indirectly show support for a failing football program. Small gestures when done on a large scale have significant impact. And no one here knows if a decision has been made to terminate CBJ at year's end even. Thus, until that decision is announced, this is how I'll "vote" on whether I believe he should be retained.
 
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It's not dumb simply because you aren't partcipating. It's a means of expressing displeasure. Butts in seats and donations are the only thing that really talks to the UTAD. I don't begrudge someone if they attend Saturday, but I have made a decision not to. I am not going to indirectly show support for a failing football program. Small gestures when done on a large scale have significant impact. And no one here knows if a decision has been made to terminate CBJ at year's end even. Thus, until that decision is announced, this is how I'll "vote" on whether I believe he should be retained.

to each his own. but if you don't think Currie and everyone else in the state knows we're unhappy about CBJ by now..........i don't know what to tell ya.

i'm not letting it rob me of a great weekend w/my family at the game to celebrate homecoming. what needs to happen is going to happen, whether your or i are there or not.
 
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It's not dumb simply because you aren't partcipating. It's a means of expressing displeasure. Butts in seats and donations are the only thing that really talks to the UTAD. I don't begrudge someone if they attend Saturday, but I have made a decision not to. I am not going to indirectly show support for a failing football program. Small gestures when done on a large scale have significant impact. And no one here knows if a decision has been made to terminate CBJ at year's end even. Thus, until that decision is announced, this is how I'll "vote" on whether I believe he should be retained.

Shoop said you're stupid if you don't know what's going on.

Sounds like you don't know what's going on.
 
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to each his own. but if you don't think Currie and everyone else in the state knows we're unhappy about CBJ by now..........i don't know what to tell ya.

i'm not letting it rob me of a great weekend w/my family at the game to celebrate homecoming. what needs to happen is going to happen, whether your or i are there or not.

You sound selfish. Putting your fun before the needs of those can't tell what's going on.

I'm going to the mizzu game. My schedule didn't work out for this weekend. I wish I could be there with y'all.

Go Vols!

Get closer to being bowl eligible.
 
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to each his own. but if you don't think Currie and everyone else in the state knows we're unhappy about CBJ by now..........i don't know what to tell ya.

i'm not letting it rob me of a great weekend w/my family at the game to celebrate homecoming. what needs to happen is going to happen, whether your or i are there or not.

Exactly.

If you don't want to go, don't go. Its not gonna force Currie to make a decision that has already been made.
 
It's not dumb simply because you aren't partcipating. It's a means of expressing displeasure. Butts in seats and donations are the only thing that really talks to the UTAD. I don't begrudge someone if they attend Saturday, but I have made a decision not to. I am not going to indirectly show support for a failing football program. Small gestures when done on a large scale have significant impact. And no one here knows if a decision has been made to terminate CBJ at year's end even. Thus, until that decision is announced, this is how I'll "vote" on whether I believe he should be retained.

Do as you wish, the "movement" is dumb. I choose to support the players and based on my limited experience im guessing they prefer to play in front of fans than play in a half empty stadium. Lucky for us, only a small part will partake in the "movement."
 
It's not dumb simply because you aren't partcipating. It's a means of expressing displeasure. Butts in seats and donations are the only thing that really talks to the UTAD. I don't begrudge someone if they attend Saturday, but I have made a decision not to. I am not going to indirectly show support for a failing football program. Small gestures when done on a large scale have significant impact. And no one here knows if a decision has been made to terminate CBJ at year's end even. Thus, until that decision is announced, this is how I'll "vote" on whether I believe he should be retained.

So, you talk about butts in seats and donations, How many season tickets do you buy and where are they?

I only ask because like many other season ticket holders, you can express your feelings to the UTFund about not renewing if things stay the same. That has more weight than the money they already received. I say this because since having my tickets and not missing games has not stopped the AD from firing a coach.
 
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Why? I will never boycott my school. The players deserve our support now more than ever. The administration has made their decision. Fill Neyland and show that you love your school and your players. This helps recruiting for future players and future coaches. Don't hurt the program anymore. JMHO
 
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