Empty Neyland Movement (#uncluttervolnation)

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And to complicate the confusion. Here in this forum are logical fans coming together to effect the only change we can to HELP THE PLAYERS get rid of the problem their AD won't get rid of for them.

And "fans" come in here attacking and taunting fans who want better for the players and university and call us not true fans & negavols?

That's only showing YOUR true colors. Not the fans that have had enough suffering for us as fans and the players that Butch Jones continues to hold back
 
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There will be stories come out after Butch is fired whenever that will SHOCK you on how bad he has hurt player development and the players he has ran off.

You haven't heard them yet because of media fear of lost access and their jobs for reporting.


I hope you fans that don't get this movement and think we should be supporting Butch still coaching at Tennessee will remember your comments on here.
 
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vols1707 said:
Ok so the people that think empty Neyland are dumb and we need to go support the PLAYERS

Based on the "HOPE" that Butch Jones is already fired and so it don't matter new coach next year.
Even though he cannot win and get the PLAYERS to a bowl game.

So you as someone coming in here telling fans we should go cheer for the kids it's about them....

BUT YOU DON'T CARE IF THE PLAYERS WIN?
(Something the players care about extremely)



Call the movement fans non fans that's ok. But realize what your saying in regards to your only defense in the players.
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You should get the players opinions on whether they prefer to play in front of a large amount of fans or an empty stadium, so fans can "make a statement."

Im not telling you what to do, i just saying its stupid.
 
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volfannbama said:
You should get the players opinions on whether they prefer to play in front of a large amount of fans or an empty stadium, so fans can "make a statement."

Im not telling you what to do, i just saying its stupid.
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I'm sure they would tell you 6 wins please.

Bowl game

The players get gifts and $$$ at Christmas time.

The players want a bowl game. Go enjoy the game if you want but supporting the decision to leave Butch as HC is not supporting the players at this point.
 
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volforlife44 said:
I disagree 100%. We as fans pay our hard earned money to watch and cheer on our team. They do not pay us. As die hard Vol fans, all we ask is to put the best product on the field as possible and make changes when that is not the case. This BJ coddling has been one of the biggest dumpster fire's I have ever witnessed as a fan. I hate the Gators as much as everyone else on here but how is it that they lose to 3 decent teams (LSU, Texas A&M, Georgia) and fire their coach and we lose to 3 awful teams (Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky) to go along with Alabama and Georgia and our coach comes out to say "Nothing has changed" in regards to support from our AD. How as a fan is this ok when it is OUR money we are spending week in and week out. We are the ones working 40 or more hours a week just for the opportunity to watch this fire. If the Tennessee Admin does not want to make a change, the only way to force a change it to stop showing up so it hits their pockets.

For those that say it hurts the student athletes, I call BS because what really hurts them is playing for a coach that is actually unable to get them better and not qualified for the job they signed up for. Neyland has been pretty much full for every game this year and it sure didn't change the outcome against South Carolina or Georgia. It wont be the end of the world to put 30,000 in the seats this Saturday to send a message that change needs to be done and it needs to be done now!
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Well said and I appreciate the demeanor of your post. I also agree with several points you make. The problems I see is that people supporting this are in the mindset that the fan base is higher on the priority list than we truly are. I agree something has to be done, however, I also have trust in our new AD and administration to get it done correctly. Currie has not given me a reason to doubt his ability. If he botches this hire, then I will view it very differently. I do have to remind myself that this is a process and it won't happen overnight. As for me, I will 1,000% support my Vols and the university. Unless they give me a reason to do otherwise.
Go Vols! :clapping:
 
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vols1707 said:
I'm sure they would tell you 6 wins please.

Bowl game

The players get gifts and $$$ at Christmas time.

The players want a bowl game. Go enjoy the game if you want but supporting the decision to leave Butch as HC is not supporting the players at this point.
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I haven't supported Butch has head coach for a long time. Im sorry that you donthabe the intellect to see that the two are not mutually exclusive. Habebfun with your little movement.
 
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vols1707 said:
There will be stories come out after Butch is fired whenever that will SHOCK you on how bad he has hurt player development and the players he has ran off.

You haven't heard them yet because of media fear of lost access and their jobs for reporting.


I hope you fans that don't get this movement and think we should be supporting Butch still coaching at Tennessee will remember your comments on here.
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Bing bing bing.....winner!
Some media members are starting to turn a little.
Just wait til Ainge and others at state run media outlets let loose...but ONLY after Butch is gone, of course.
 
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08Vol said:
The players have quit this season. Sure they give effort on Saturdays during the game, but games are won and lost during the off season and in practice and film study. The players didn’t push themselves this off season and it shows. The players aren’t studying film and it shows. The players aren’t making gains in the weight room and it shows. There are a handful of players on this team that have the heart of a champion, the rest are just going through the motions.
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Not so fast.

I agree they have not made proper use of their free time. I think they have given all while "on the clock", but to be championship football a team has to use their free time getting better as well. There seems to have been a disconnect on how to use their free time.

The player pressers that I saw showed they were engaged and knew that putting in the work and embracing the "grind" was still the answer.

But yes, they seemed to have gotten out worked this year, most unfortunate.

There is still 4 games left with an opportunity to go to a bowl. The plan in Sept wasn't to be fighting for a bowl birth in November. It is now. So they need to put in the time now to get wins from here on out.

Run the table 121.
 
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A lot of folks on here are saying that Butch has been fired...funny, I can't find a single article or statement from UT that says that. We have people who may or may not be insiders claiming that he was fired at different times throughout the year. Still haven't seen anything official. Interesting counterpoint is that some folks who should know are saying that Butch hasn't been fired, that Currie and Davenport don't want to fire him and Haslam doesn't want him fired.
 
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Exiled said:
A lot of folks on here are saying that Butch has been fired...funny, I can't find a single article or statement from UT that says that. We have people who may or may not be insiders claiming that he was fired at different times throughout the year. Still haven't seen anything official. Interesting counterpoint is that some folks who should know are saying that Butch hasn't been fired, that Currie and Davenport don't want to fire him and Haslam doesn't want him fired.
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Bingo

Currie ACTIONS have shown he would like to keep Butch another year.

It's up to each fan to decide OUR COLLECTIVE ACTION on that.
 
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vols1707 said:
Ok so the people that think empty Neyland are dumb and we need to go support the PLAYERS

Based on the "HOPE" that Butch Jones is already fired and so it don't matter new coach next year.
Even though he cannot win and get the PLAYERS to a bowl game.

So you as someone coming in here telling fans we should go cheer for the kids it's about them....

BUT YOU DON'T CARE IF THE PLAYERS WIN?
(Something the players care about extremely)



Call the movement fans non fans that's ok. But realize what your saying in regards to your only defense in the players.
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If you still think this is about Jones saving his job, I don't know what to tell you. He doesn't want to be here anymore either.

You re also making the false assumption that someone on the staff really "wants" to be the interim, and that they would guarantee something different than what you currently have.
 
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BeecherVol said:
If you still think this is about Jones saving his job, I don't know what to tell you. He doesn't want to be here anymore either.

You re also making the false assumption that someone on the staff really "wants" to be the interim, and that they would guarantee something different than what you currently have.
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It's simple demand change now then for the players and the fans. Not when it's convenient for the powers.

The university takes the fans $$$ and gives them nothing in return.

The university makes MILLIONS OFF THE BACKS OF THE PLAYERS. And they still let a guy coach that cannot help the players only hurt them.

I hope this is broken down to the simplest point.

Players and fans are SUFFERING. The powers at UT are still making $$$ so no change for either.

FANS CAN FIX THIS for the fans & the players who are at risk of a bowl & use for the NFL
 
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vols1707 said:
It's simple demand change now then for the players and the fans. Not when it's convenient for the powers.

The university takes the fans $$$ and gives them nothing in return.

The university makes MILLIONS OFF THE BACKS OF THE PLAYERS. And they still let a guy coach that cannot help the players only hurt them.

I hope this is broken down to the simplest point.

Players and fans are SUFFERING. The powers at UT are still making $$$ so no change for either.

FANS CAN FIX THIS for the fans & the players who are at risk of a bowl & use for the NFL
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Please explain what cbj being fired today or after the vandy game does? Other than make silly fans all warm and fuzzy.
 
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As a I said yesterday, there are over 100,000 UT fans and there are about 350 whiners/haters on VN wanting to "demand" and "fire". I prefer a solution to run these folks off. Not helping IMO. I am totally against protesting anything. I believe the grown up and intelligent thing is to work within the system to solve problems. If you believe CBJ and the admin are good with a possible losing season, injuries, playing freshmen, media hounding them, etc., you are the ones who are delusional.
 
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vols1707 said:
It gives the PLAYERS an opportunity to go to a bowl game.

They will not get there with Butch as HC.
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How do you know that? Please provide proof that an interim coach gives a shot at a bowl game and CBJ would not?

My evidence would be CBJ has led them to 3 bowl games. Whats yours?
 
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volfannbama said:
How do you know that? Please provide proof that an interim coach gives a shot at a bowl game and CBJ would not?

My evidence would be CBJ has led them to 3 bowl games. Whats yours?
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Have you watched Tennessee play this year?
Butch has put plenty of evidence on tape.

Take away Dobbs winning games despite coaching and Tennessee wouldn't have been to any bowls.
 
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vols1707 said:
Have you watched Tennessee play this year?
Butch has put plenty of evidence on tape.

Take away Dobbs winning games despite coaching and Tennessee wouldn't have been to any bowls.
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So you have no evidence?

Bro, ive been off the CBJ train longer than most on here. He isnt a good coach, firing him now does nothing. We have no idea whats happening behind the scenes. If the kids want to make a bowl game, the are capable of winning 3 of the next 4 games. If not, they dont deserve a bowl. CBJ has beaten all these teams before, except lsu.
 
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