Electric Vehicles

[LouderVol]

With or without rails?

Do you think in cities where electric bikes are currently used, they don't navigate around obstacles when needed?

Atlanta's streetcar has rails. they looked at a similar "bus" option with no rails and it was even more expensive.

the electric bikes aren't mass transportation, nor are they tethered. not sure I see the parallel you are drawing to make.

 

[NorthDallas40]

the atlanta streetcar is exactly that. it relies on overhead lines. it still requires completely new infrastructure.

ND40 may understand more of the actual electrical side of things but the power in the transmission lines is probably not directly usable by the streetcars. you would need a series of transformers to convert it to a usable system, at that point you can't put it back into the existing lines. you will need a second power line to run the streetcar.

I think you lose a lot of flexibility when you tie a system down to the powerlines. just today in Atlanta I saw a MARTA bus pass some vehicle pulled over on the right. your system wouldn't allow for that. you need a system that is completely separate from the road to really allow a tethered system to work.

funny enough Atlanta is proposing an autonomous system that does just this thru two very fixed points with a completely separate "road" for it to run on. Its EV, but I don't think they are doing the power lines. we will see how/if it works out.

Atlanta introduces first-of-its-kind public transit system with 24/7 on-demand operations: 'What begins [here] is designed for the world'

Combining the driverless technology of autonomous vehicles with the dedicated thoroughfares of light rail, a wholly new kind of public transportation is coming to Atlanta.

www.thecooldown.com

It’s not my area of expertise but it would have to be some intermediate voltage between the 13kV neighborhood line voltage and 220V residential voltage. Power is what matters and P=V*I. So if you double the voltage you halve the current for the same operating power. Higher line voltages also minimizes transmission line losses.

 

[McDad]

Atlanta's streetcar has rails. they looked at a similar "bus" option with no rails and it was even more expensive.

the electric bikes aren't mass transportation, nor are they tethered. not sure I see the parallel you are drawing to make.

The point is, a streetcar needing rails costs more to bring to market than something designed to run on existing pavement.

 

[GroverCleveland]

I do understand the benefits of hydrogen fuel cells, but always think about that one big Hydrogen fuel cell the Germans had:

 

[NorthDallas40]

I do understand the benefits of hydrogen fuel cells, but always think about that one big Hydrogen fuel cell the Germans had:


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Yeah they were morons that forced a bad design concept. We wouldn’t sell them stable helium so they used hydrogen

 

[volinbham]

I do understand the benefits of hydrogen fuel cells, but always think about that one big Hydrogen fuel cell the Germans had:


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[GroverCleveland]

Yeah they were morons that forced a bad design concept. We wouldn’t sell them stable helium so they used hydrogen

Alright now, do you need a tissue?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Alright now, do you need a tissue?

Well it was the Nazis so no I think I’ll be good. Just hate to see piss poor design choices made that get people needlessly killed was all I meant. Byproduct of my career. I think at that time we largely controlled the world’s supply of helium and of course we weren’t going to sell it to Hitler.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Well it was the Nazis so no I think I’ll be good. Just hate to see piss poor design choices made that get people needlessly killed was all I meant. Byproduct of my career. I think at that time we largely controlled the world’s supply of helium and of course we weren’t going to sell it to Hitler.

Interestingly enough, the ban of sales of helium had nothing to do with Hitler, Nazis, or even it being Germany for that matter.

While sad, it seems that people have had to die to “discover“ poor design choices. Titanic, airships in general, Challenger, the de Havilland Comet, etc, etc.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Interestingly enough, the ban of sales of helium had nothing to do with Hitler, Nazis, or even it being Germany for that matter.

While sad, it seems that people have had to die to “discover“ poor design choices. Titanic, airships in general, Challenger, the de Havilland Comet, etc, etc.

Helium Control Act of 1927. I thought it was due to Hitler

 

[rekinhavoc]

Hybrid powertrain concept for renewable gasoline targets 40% less fuel use

A new hybrid architecture from Horse Powertrain aims to bridge combustion and electrification by operating entirely on renewable gasoline.

interestingengineering.com

"Under standardized WLTP testing, the system achieves approximately 71 miles per gallon, representing about a 40% improvement over the 2023 European average for newly registered passenger vehicles, CarNewsChina reported.
Engineered to maximize thermodynamic performance, the H12 concept incorporates a 17:1 compression ratio, a reworked exhaust gas recirculation system, optimized turbocharging and transmission calibration tailored specifically for hybrid operation. Together, these modifications are designed to enhance combustion efficiency and improve energy recovery within a hybrid drivetrain architecture, extracting more usable output from each combustion cycle while supporting electrified performance."

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Ok so hydrogen has 100x higher energy density than the readily available lithium ion battery technology and as I stated above there are sea water electrolysis methods maturing now to address fuel generation capacity and costs. Infrastructure will be the driver.

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www.sciencedirect.com

Couple of the Japs have been steadily patenting hydrogen technology for decades. Honda and Toyota IIRC. I hope it comes to fruition soon. I am sure the Euro car makers have at least dabbled in it as well with their ridiculous Liberal BS equivalent of the EPA constantly making new restrictions and ruining things like motorcycles and cars. As we have previously discussed in OT, the ridiculous laws tied to the CC grift have absolutely destroyed reliability even from the most reliable brands in history like Honda and Toyota. Massive engine recalls across pretty much all models now that everything runs a turbo charged 4banger with 5WT oil as thin as water and higher compression. The ultra tight clearances on all the most important parts mean that even the tiniest particles missed during manufacture or caused by wear just grenade these engines...or wear things down very quickly and they start burning a quart of oil every thousand miles with low mileage on the odometer.
Some of THE vehicles you think of when thinking about reliability like Honda Civic and Accord, Toyota Tacomas etc now have engine recalls on hundreds of thousands of vehicles. Those cars and trucks routinely ran for 200, 300, 400thousand miles in the 80s and 90s etc. Now you got lucky if you make it recall free and your engine runs 100,000miles. No thanks. My raggedy 08 Civic coupe is closing in on 200,000 miles and the power steering pump and brake pads are the only things I have ever had to replace. Keep oil and water in the old ones and they run forever. The EPA/Government have killed reliable transportation while increasing the cost dramatically as well.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I’d guess for farm the off-road diesel still rules the roost unless the bastards have mandated low sulfur and DEF regen engines on those vehicles too. Then everyone needs to just be fired.

Yes. Our 4wheel drive off road forklifts too must have DEF etc now. They also capped maximum HP at 70hp IIRC. The brand new machines that cost closer to $200k than $100k. Have much weaker engines than the old ones. It doesn't affect the boom bexause that's all hydraulic...what it does is gets the forklifts stuck in the mud or on hazards like ruts or ditches because they weigh so much and are underpowered. Just like with cars trucks and bikes...the EPA/Gov ruins everything. It would be different if it were based on solid science. Removing Lead from gas was great and necessary. Everyone here is said to be 10% dumber than we would have otherwise been had we not breathed all the lead from fumes etc as kids at a minimum. There are good videos about it, Veritasium has one. This BS about "man made global warming" is complete and utter garbage though and the grift has run its course. I would love for someone to take the time to calculate the trillions of US dollars wasted/stolen and all the other effects of the CC grift and figure out how much it has actually cost each American in our lifetimes. To accomplish absolutely nothing.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yes. Our 4wheel drive off road forklifts too must have DEF etc now. They also capped maximum HP at 70hp IIRC. The brand new machines that cost closer to $200k than $100k. Have much weaker engines than the old ones. It doesn't affect the boom bexause that's all hydraulic...what it does is gets the forklifts stuck in the mud or on hazards like ruts or ditches because they weigh so much and are underpowered. Just like with cars trucks and bikes...the EPA/Gov ruins everything. It would be different if it were based on solid science. Removing Lead from gas was great and necessary. Everyone here is said to be 10% dumber than we would have otherwise been had we not breathed all the lead from fumes etc as kids at a minimum. There are good videos about it, Veritasium has one. This BS about "man made global warming" is complete and utter garbage though and the grift has run its course. I would love for someone to take the time to calculate the trillions of US dollars wasted/stolen and all the other effects of the CC grift and figure out how much it has actually cost each American in our lifetimes. To accomplish absolutely nothing.

Oh those idiot Fed bastards…

 

[StarRaider]

Interestingly enough, the ban of sales of helium had nothing to do with Hitler, Nazis, or even it being Germany for that matter.

While sad, it seems that people have had to die to “discover“ poor design choices. Titanic, airships in general, Challenger, the de Havilland Comet, etc, etc.

they dont have to die, they just gotta pay a million per bus

Most of South Florida's Electric Buses Parked, Awaiting Repairs

Since the manufacturer filed for bankruptcy, only a handful of Miami-Dade County’s 75 electric buses are in service, and none of Broward County’s fleet of 42 electric buses managed to run routes earlier this month.

www.govtech.com

 

[GroverCleveland]

Helium Control Act of 1927. I thought it was due to Hitler

Most people would I think. A reminder all is not as it seems.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Crooks are posing yet ANOTHER threat to EV adoption in America: 'This worries me the most'​

A new threat is posing further obstacles to electric vehicle ownership for Americans.

Thieves are targeting charging stations and stealing the cables. This can mean the loss of $1,000-plus cables - but there is an even bigger knock-on effect.

Crooks cutting wires can disable entire stations - forcing owners to search desperately for another working charger that might be miles away.

So-called 'range anxiety', slow charging and a lack of public stations have long put Americans off switching to EVs - despite tax credits from President Biden.

And now broken down chargers are exacerbating the problem - giving skeptical buyers one more reason to stick with gas cars for now.

'For the myriad reasons people give for EVs not working, cable theft is the one that would worry me the most,' one user wrote on X, formerly Twitter.


The reason thieves are targeting EV charging cables is because they contain copper wiring.

The price of copper is near a record high on global markets, so criminals stand to collect rising sums of cash from selling the material.

But while it costs $1,000 to replace a charging cable, authorities say, thieves only stand to make $20 reselling the metal.

Crooks posing ANOTHER threat to EV take-up: 'This worries me the most'

Thieves are targeting charging stations and stealing the cables, which can disable entire stations, forcing owners to search desperately for another working charger.

www.dailymail.co.uk

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...hicle-charging-desert-EV-reach-Americans.html

 

[utvolpj]

Crooks are posing yet ANOTHER threat to EV adoption in America: 'This worries me the most'​

A new threat is posing further obstacles to electric vehicle ownership for Americans.

Thieves are targeting charging stations and stealing the cables. This can mean the loss of $1,000-plus cables - but there is an even bigger knock-on effect.

Crooks cutting wires can disable entire stations - forcing owners to search desperately for another working charger that might be miles away.

So-called 'range anxiety', slow charging and a lack of public stations have long put Americans off switching to EVs - despite tax credits from President Biden.

And now broken down chargers are exacerbating the problem - giving skeptical buyers one more reason to stick with gas cars for now.

'For the myriad reasons people give for EVs not working, cable theft is the one that would worry me the most,' one user wrote on X, formerly Twitter.


The reason thieves are targeting EV charging cables is because they contain copper wiring.

The price of copper is near a record high on global markets, so criminals stand to collect rising sums of cash from selling the material.

But while it costs $1,000 to replace a charging cable, authorities say, thieves only stand to make $20 reselling the metal.

Crooks posing ANOTHER threat to EV take-up: 'This worries me the most'

Thieves are targeting charging stations and stealing the cables, which can disable entire stations, forcing owners to search desperately for another working charger.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Do you live in an EV 'charging desert'?

Bad bot. That article is from 2024.

 

[McDad]

Bad bot. That article is from 2024.

You still happy with your Lightning?

 

[utvolpj]

You still happy with your Lightning?

Absolutely love it and I hear the same from most other owners. Being able to run anything from an entire campsite for a weekend or my house when the power goes out is great. Now, Ford absolutely dropped the ball on software. We also don't get use of the camera even though they're all around the vehicle. Tesla did that right.

The key is home charging. It's so cheap and convenient. If I had to rely on public chargers I would have given it back after a month

 

[McDad]

Absolutely love it and I hear the same from most other owners. Being able to run anything from an entire campsite for a weekend or my house when the power goes out is great. Now, Ford absolutely dropped the ball on software. We also don't get use of the camera even though they're all around the vehicle. Tesla did that right.

The key is home charging. It's so cheap and convenient. If I had to rely on public chargers I would have given it back after a month

Think I saw a few months ago that sales have been disappointing. Glad you're happy with it.

Are the cameras and software not under warranty?

 

[bignewt]

My Rivian truck is a monster. Watching gas prices shoot up right now reinforces my choice.

 

[McDad]

My Rivian truck is a monster. Watching gas prices shoot up right now reinforces my choice.

Saw a bunch of those in Tahoe last year. What do you like so much about it?

 

[utvolpj]

Think I saw a few months ago that sales have been disappointing. Glad you're happy with it.

Are the cameras and software not under warranty?

Oh no, they work exactly as designed. It's just a truck company didn't put any effort into the software.

I feel what failed was Ford didn't really want to sell them. There's no money for their service dept and their salesmen know nothing about it. If I wasn't looking for the lightning I'm not sure they ever would have shown me one. Luckily the truck is just an f150 so they could sell the interior items. I was also at one of the largest dealers in Tampa and they didn't know how to deal with the ev tax rebate. It was going to fail without corp support

 

[utvolpj]

My Rivian truck is a monster. Watching gas prices shoot up right now reinforces my choice.

Friend of mine traded his lightning (he actually talked me into buying mine) for a rivian and loves it. Does say he misses the size of the truck though but drives so much he needed to switch