Hydrogen distribution and a cost/energy effective electrolysis method. Hydrogen powered cars are available today in select markers however fuel distribution is the hold back. I posted a link in this thread a couple of years ago that a sea water electrolysis method had solved the hydrogen generation issue but you still have distribution issues like every new energy doubt that isn’t a Mr Fusion small form factor nuclear reactor.
I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.
on what scale/end goal?
LOL.I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.
I’d submit you’re wrongly equating ease of use of existing technology over new technology development. If the new technology has merit and is cost effective it will displace current technology during a period of overlap. That’s all there is to it.
“Why do we need this fancy nuclear power for ships wind power has worked just fine for hundreds of years!” - mcdiddy probably
I say what I’ve said already it’s still a work in progress. I fully expect it to get solved and a BUNCH of money is getting thrown at it because the upside is simply enormous. As a raw material fuel generation source look at a globe and see how much of the earth’s surface is covered by water.
Ok. Here's where I see the convo so far.I say what I’ve said already it’s still a work in progress. I fully expect it to get solved and a BUNCH of money is getting thrown at it because the upside is simply enormous. As a raw material fuel generation source look at a globe and see how much of the earth’s surface is covered by water.
BEV’s are an intermediate point. They have a place they are not the be all end all. Personally I’m not a fan of them as a BEV alone vehicle. But BEVs with a considerably smaller battery are the design starting point to add in a hydrogen fuel cell and hydrogen source. And… these cars do exist today they are just not widely available. In fact they’ve been around over a decade. It isn’t prime time yet.
Toyota Mirai - Wikipedia
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even on that scale its tough to pull off.
reason.com
But I am not talking about new tech, and income generation estimates. I am talking about existing bus lines, known routes, known revenue. Surely there are overseas companies that are producing electric buses for other cities. The infrastructure is all in the electric lines.even on that scale its tough to pull off.
This article doesn't take an objective opinion of the Atlanta street car, but it does present the facts.
Atlanta Plans To Blow More Money On Failed Streetcar Line
City leaders also want to build "glorified sidewalk" that will cost $4.8 billion.
Atlantas street car came in about 30% over budget, 98 million vs 74. costs about 50% more to operate, and generates less income than they thought.
it was/is a huge disruption to downtown, and suffered from poor planning. The only other public transit lines it really connects to run roughly parallel routes to the street car. they had to go and create a separate bus line to connect it to the nearby train stations because the ease of access wasn't great.
I think if you are wanting a new technology to succeed you want something that will be more accessible to the masses to really prove out the tech. I don't think relying on government programs is going to be enough to really establish any new tech.
Then just go with dual fuel NG/gasoline until the new stuff is ready for prime time and call it a day as that is the best old school available!
Eh I’m not so sure I agree with his statement but it probably requires an up front capital investment they likely didn’t feel they needed to spend. Which I think is reasonable. I’d guess the recurring vehicle and fuel costs would be largely a wash but admittedly that’s just a guess. Both ICE types are quite mature.
I have zero interest to even consider it since I can drive in nearly any direction and find a diesel and gasoline fuel station within 5 minutes. I think most all of this stuff for residential use is rather silly and just statement driven since most of us don’t have a fleet which gives us economies of scale for common maintenance and self fueling stations.
the atlanta streetcar is exactly that. it relies on overhead lines. it still requires completely new infrastructure.
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Well fewer kids to run over in school zones and fewer pedestrians to hit in crosswalks for sure.
With or without rails?
Do you think in cities where electric bikes are currently used, they don't navigate around obstacles when needed?
funny enough Atlanta is proposing an autonomous system that does just this thru two very fixed points with a completely separate "road" for it to run on. Its EV, but I don't think they are doing the power lines. we will see how/if it works out.
Atlanta introduces first-of-its-kind public transit system with 24/7 on-demand operations: 'What begins [here] is designed for the world'
Combining the driverless technology of autonomous vehicles with the dedicated thoroughfares of light rail, a wholly new kind of public transportation is coming to Atlanta.
