Drae Bowles

[jkleno]

I'm pretty sure you are making claims to know things here that only God Almighty could know.

I apologize if you are God and you know what is in all men's hearts and minds, but I don't think you are.

I appreciate your "legalish" intelligence to this thread. However, in my experiences I can sum things up without all the rhetoric. Here goes, "No matter how thin you slice it, there are always two sides." I am sure AJ has his story and I am sure DB has his. The truth I feel, probably lands in the middle. The point that I was attempting to make is that I feel that Orta and Maggit more than likely took AJ's slice and ate it whole. He was ready to whip DB, especially with his self-incriminating testimony- Orta shooting up people. It is a sad story in so many ways. I do appreciate your comments.

 

[MajorJohnny]

I appreciate your "legalish" intelligence to this thread. However, in my experiences I can sum things up without all the rhetoric. Here goes, "No matter how thin you slice it, there are always two sides." I am sure AJ has his story and I am sure DB has his. The truth I feel, probably lands in the middle. The point that I was attempting to make is that I feel that Orta and Maggit more than likely took AJ's slice and ate it whole. He was ready to whip DB, especially with his self-incriminating testimony- Orta shooting up people. It is a sad story in so many ways. I do appreciate your comments.

What if your side of the story is that you were told one thing, then shown something others had already seen after you had already offered up guidance. That would explain the reactions of both sides IMO.

Best to transfer and distance yourself from the situation, until you get named in lawsuit and it all blows up in your face.

 

[MustafaRasta]

My niece is going to UT this Fall on a swimming scholarship (full ride). I'm not sure the men's swim team offers full rides.

They do if you ask politely.

 

[508mikey]

Bowles was one of the biggest busts ever

 

[apevol]

Cut Joe some slack. He likes to fish, so he uses fish analogies.

He picking on Joe? He better not be.

 

[vol66]

Bowles was one of the biggest busts ever

So it made it easy for Jones to pack him down to Chattanooga? Is that your point?

 

[Capt Straight]

Suprised it took this long to make it public. Some of us close to the UTC program had heard the basic parts of this story last spring. We had heard that some, don't know which, of the UTK coaches more or less endorsed what happened to Drae.

Stories gain legs and achieve a life of their own. I am sure Bowles got his story "honed and edited" in his mind into a version that put him in a favorable light with his new UTC teammates. They they then added a little to the story and it continued getting more new legs. After this period of time, it has probably become a story of 90% BS and 10% Fact.

 

[vol-un-tear]

Any word on who the current player is?

 

[vol66]

Any word on who the current player is?

I don't know, but I listened to Hyams/Wilkerson today and Hyams says he's known about that name for months, said he doesn't know why he wasn't named but speculated that it might be because no charges were filed...tifwiw.

 

[crusse10]

Stories gain legs and achieve a life of their own. I am sure Bowles got his story "honed and edited" in his mind into a version that put him in a favorable light with his new UTC teammates. They they then added a little to the story and it continued getting more new legs. After this period of time, it has probably become a story of 90% BS and 10% Fact.

I'd be shocked if his recounts of the night and following days aren't fairly spot-on for what he experienced.

 

[Weezer]

He was a witness and was likely being threatened. You think that's how life should work and I'm the idiot?

His teammates were also sneaking around with his girl behind his back. They sure sound like stand up guys

PJ, Drae was not a witness. He wasn't there. And according to some reports, "his girl" was just as willing to sleep around with AJ. If text messages do indeed exist supporting she was sleeping around with AJ behind her bf's back, shouldn't her character be in question, too?

 

[LA Vol]

Drae Bowles was unhappy with his lack of PT at UT and requested a transfer before the start of the 2014 season. CBJ agreed. The transfer was initiated by Bowles and was unrelated to any altercation(s) that may have happened that fall.

 

[MajorJohnny]

Drae Bowles was unhappy with his lack of PT at UT and requested a transfer before the start of the 2014 season. CBJ agreed. The transfer was initiated by Bowles and was unrelated to any altercation(s) that may have happened that fall.

LoL

 

[Weezer]

This is what we know.

1) The lawsuit, as it is posited, relies heavily on the assumption that A.J. Johnson and Michael Williams are guilty of crimes they have yet to be convicted of.

2) The lawsuit seeks compensatory damages for emotional suffering experienced as part of this crime because, in part, of knowledge of intimidation of Drae Bowles which the lawsuit details by second-hand hearsay.

3) The second-hand hearsay directly contradicts statements made by Drae Bowles himself.

4) The lawsuit mis-characterizes Bowles' being apart from the team as a cover up by the coaching staff, and an attempt to protect Bowles from angry teammates, when Bowles himself testified that he was separated from the team for academic reasons.

5) If Johnson and Williams were found innocent of the crimes they are accused of, the lawsuit as it pertains to these events has no foundation whatsoever.

6) Clearly, there is a media component to this lawsuit. Lawyers seeking compensatory damages for their clients, always use the media to apply pressure in these cases. That is fair game.

7) However, I take issue with building the case around a presumption of guilt for Johnson and Williams, when they should constitutionally be presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

8) Making this the center-piece of the lawsuit is clearly intended to increase pressure to settle on UT with little regard to whether it biases the trial for Johnson and Williams.

9) In fact, if the trial was biased by an onslaught of media, it would only benefit the litigants in the civil suit.

10) Therefore, the timing here is clearly intentional, as the suit as written would have little basis for compensatory damages if Johnson and Williams are acquitted of these charges.

11) The fact that the incident with Bowles is leveraged in the media to suggest that Maggit and Orta committed a physical assault, when the assault was verbal threats at most, is only further evidence of the game that is being played here.

Feel free to call me biased if you want.

If you are certain nothing sleazy is going on here, then I will feel free to call you naive.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no lawyer, but even if AJ and Williams are acquitted, that would not exonerate them from this lawsuit. Criminal cases and civil cases have different burdens of proof, correct? It's not unlike the OJ Simpson case. He was acquitted of murder charges but the victims' families won a civil case against him.

 

[vol66]

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no lawyer, but even if AJ and Williams are acquitted, that would not exonerate them from this lawsuit. Criminal cases and civil cases have different burdens of proof, correct? It's not unlike the OJ Simpson case. He was acquitted of murder charges but the victims' families won a civil case against him.

The defendants in the lawsuit:

The University of Tennessee, The Director of The Office of Student Conduct & Community Standards (in his or her official capacity)

Unless one side or the other wanted them as witnesses the two you mentioned wouldn't be involved and the plaintiffs aren't seeking damages from any former, current players...

 

[Weezer]

Trying to read though this thread has given me a headache as it is so full of inconsistencies. Which is true? Drae Bowles is a person of high character or a person of questionable character? If you believe he is a person of high character, you have to believe he told police the truth and that his grand jury testimony was accurate, which flies in the face of what these allegations claim. If he's a person of questionable character, then what role did he play in all of this? I do know if he's called to testify and his story changes from his grand jury testimony he could be charged with perjury.

And if Drae got assaulted for being a snitch, why wasn't Williams given the same treatment for telling police about Orta's threats? Why wasn't Orta himself given that treatment for telling police about Maggitt's threats? Are we suggesting it was all some great conspiracy by the football team? Seems farfetched to me, but believe what you will.

Orta and Maggitt obviously confronted Bowles if they've admitted to it, but why? Have they ever said why?

This lawsuit doesn't help Drae Bowles any as it clearly suggests he perjured himself.

 

[EweTVol]

Hate it for him if true.

 

[Weezer]

The defendants in the lawsuit:

The University of Tennessee, The Director of The Office of Student Conduct & Community Standards (in his or her official capacity)

Unless one side or the other wanted them as witnesses the two you mentioned wouldn't be involved and the plaintiffs aren't seeking damages from any former, current players...

Yeah, I forgot they weren't named in this lawsuit as defendants

 

[utvolpj]

PJ, Drae was not a witness. He wasn't there. And according to some reports, "his girl" was just as willing to sleep around with AJ. If text messages do indeed exist supporting she was sleeping around with AJ behind her bf's back, shouldn't her character be in question, too?

Not every witness is an eyewitness

What you're asking for the girl is for her to be named so game can humiliate in public. No that should not happen to a victim and is why many avoid the hassle.

Why do you really want her name out there? What good will it do? What need will it satisfy?

 

[vol66]

Trying to read though this thread has given me a headache as it is so full of inconsistencies. Which is true? Drae Bowles is a person of high character or a person of questionable character? If you believe he is a person of high character, you have to believe he told police the truth and that his grand jury testimony was accurate, which flies in the face of what these allegations claim. If he's a person of questionable character, then what role did he play in all of this? I do know if he's called to testify and his story changes from his grand jury testimony he could be charged with perjury.

And if Drae got assaulted for being a snitch, why wasn't Williams given the same treatment for telling police about Orta's threats? Why wasn't Orta himself given that treatment for telling police about Maggitt's threats? Are we suggesting it was all some great conspiracy by the football team? Seems farfetched to me, but believe what you will.

Orta and Maggitt obviously confronted Bowles if they've admitted to it, but why? Have they ever said why?

This lawsuit doesn't help Drae Bowles any as it clearly suggests he perjured himself.

You have to start with this: all the guys you mentioned were interviewed by police in relation to one case, there are four other rape allegations.

The Bowles thing is brought into play to show the lengths to which intimidation and harassment are in play on UT's campus. In other words, if they will treat a football player like this imagine how those same folks would treat a young woman who alleged rape.

The football program is not a party in the law suit, neither is the AD.

The only issue with the AD/football/basketball program is interference in the process, that will have to be proven.

 

[Weezer]

Not every witness is an eyewitness

What you're asking for the girl is for her to be named so game can humiliate in public. No that should not happen to a victim and is why many avoid the hassle.

Why do you really want her name out there? What good will it do? What need will it satisfy?

In the statement you quoted, where exactly have I suggested that her name be made public? Oh, no where. I'm going to assume, and we know what happens when one assumes, that you're referring to posts in another thread asking why she should be given anonymity in the civil case? Civil law is separate from criminal law. They serve different purposes. I have no interest in any plaintiffs' name, but I find it highly unfair that any young man can have his name ruined by accusations that may turn out to be unfounded while the accusers enjoy anonymity. Both sides should be granted anonymity until such a time as a conviction or acquittal is secured by prosecution. Sometimes the true victim is the one being accused of a crime he did not commit. Am I saying AJ or Williams are innocent? No. I'm saying I don't know. But the law says they are innocent until they are proven guilty. The court of public opinion has already convicted them of rape.

 

[Weezer]

You have to start with this: all the guys you mentioned were interviewed by police in relation to one case, there are four other rape allegations.

The Bowles thing is brought into play to show the lengths to which intimidation and harassment are in play on UT's campus. In other words, if they will treat a football player like this imagine how those same folks would treat a young woman who alleged rape.

The football program is not a party in the law suit, neither is the AD.

The only issue with the AD/football/basketball program is interference in the process, that will have to be proven.

Only Bowles GJ testimony contradicts the assertion "if they will treat a football player like this."

 

[Weezer]

Not every witness is an eyewitness

What you're asking for the girl is for her to be named so game can humiliate in public. No that should not happen to a victim and is why many avoid the hassle.

Why do you really want her name out there? What good will it do? What need will it satisfy?

PJ, you haven't changed a bit. Still making your veiled insults hiding behind your title. Should I go ahead and self report this post? lol

 

[vol66]

Only Bowles GJ testimony contradicts the assertion "if they will treat a football player like this."

Where do I find his grand jury testimony, or is that in the lawsuit and I just missed it?

 

[Lovesomebigorange]

Did he testify to a grand jury or just interview with KNS? Because if he testified and said he wasn't assaulted, then how the hell does this lawsuit contradict that with the scathing headlines we have seen all day today? That he was beaten up gangster style by teammates with coaches looking on?! That's how many stories read today!