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With Fulmer, hindsight is 20/20. There was a clear dividing line between what came before the fourth quarter of the 2001 SEC Championship Game and what came after. There's a very good argument that we waited too long with CPF because of his equity from 1998. If we'd made a change after 2005, it might have been a plug-and-play type deal like the Richt-Smartt transition. We could have easily had Butch Davis or Gary Patterson at that point, probably a lot of other top guys as well because we still had the bones of a great program. Having chosen the path we did, I can understand how 8/9 wins a season most years looks really good. We fired CPF to win championships. If we gotta fire a million mofo's to get back to ATL then so be it.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
With Fulmer, hindsight is 20/20. There was a clear dividing line between what came before the fourth quarter of the 2001 SEC Championship Game and what came after. There's a very good argument that we waited too long with CPF because of his equity from 1998. If we'd made a change after 2005, it might have been a plug-and-play type deal like the Richt-Smartt transition. We could have easily had Butch Davis or Gary Patterson at that point, probably a lot of other top guys as well because we still had the bones of a great program. Having chosen the path we did, I can understand how 8/9 wins a season most years looks really good. We fired CPF to win championships. If we gotta fire a million mofo's to get back to ATL then so be it.
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I've always said, if the main players had all agreed on letting him go, I would have
A. Not renewed his contract to begin with.

B. Finished out the one he was in with a new OC *or allowing Clawson full implementation. You guys can debate which was better.

Either way, he leaves at the end of a contract with a "retirement". Avoid all the controversy and I would have only done that for him because he brought the only NC of my life span.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
With Fulmer, hindsight is 20/20. There was a clear dividing line between what came before the fourth quarter of the 2001 SEC Championship Game and what came after. There's a very good argument that we waited too long with CPF because of his equity from 1998. If we'd made a change after 2005, it might have been a plug-and-play type deal like the Richt-Smartt transition. We could have easily had Butch Davis or Gary Patterson at that point, probably a lot of other top guys as well because we still had the bones of a great program. Having chosen the path we did, I can understand how 8/9 wins a season most years looks really good. We fired CPF to win championships. If we gotta fire a million mofo's to get back to ATL then so be it.
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Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda.........I think we are beyond that conversation and not your fault but really.....

Fans and Admin and BOT has several Self Inflicted Head Wounds and Gaping Chest Wounds.

One of The most difficult things to do is to drive a vehicle forward and only looking at your Rear View Windows to do it.

A lot of this is on this site and several others.....

Think Forward.....

Matthews made this statement 2-3 weeks ago.....Things have changed or they have not...one thing about is we are here talking about it like he just stated it a minute ago.....and bashing him in the process....LOL.

He maybe Volman365 or Volguyallyear....for all we know....
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Maybe CJP wasn't worried about that but ADPF was? If that's the case, the it really wasn't CJP's decision. I did hear Doug state something to the effect that this was CJP's hire EXCEPT for a couple of considerations that the AD might have. Someday, Freeze will probably tell the story.
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Its prolly in Freeze best interests not to remind everybody why he was passed over by at least 4 schools before he landed at Liberty.
Not a flattering reason.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Thus it would most likely have a negative impact.

Here is to another lukewarm hiring decision by Tennessee Football!
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Wouldn’t matter what UT does you would bitch and cry no matter what ... woudl hate to be as miserable a person as you appear to be , bet you are great fun to be around
 
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thegasman54 said:
Wouldn’t matter what UT does you would bitch and cry no matter what ... woudl hate to be as miserable a person as you appear to be , bet you are great fun to be around
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Actually.. when they win I give my entire family bowl game tickets. So yeah....
 
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BeecherVol said:
The program was going backwards. Stating otherwise is foolish. The talent gap started with him and with the exception of 1 or 2 years hasn't gotten any closer since he left.
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Yeah it’s real foolish to not to attach the last 10 yrs of futility to a coach with a .743 winning pct. , SEC championships, and a natty. Damn he really screwed things up. If only we had fired him sooner.
 
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jackcrevol said:
Wait. So, you're mad our CFB HOF, 2 X SECC, 1 NAT AD, who was likely an All american at OL, and a helluvan OC - wants to pitch in and help coach OL?

Mr Haslam?
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He shouldn't be involved period, speaking of HOF coaches as AD inserting themselves Google Barry Alvarez
 
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columbia vol said:
Yeah it’s real foolish to not to attach the last 10 yrs of futility to a coach with a .743 winning pct. , SEC championships, and a natty. Damn he really screwed things up. If only we had fired him sooner.
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His record and championships are what they are and he had a successful run here. Most all of that happened before 2004. What happened after that was the beginning of something he never corrected. And to date no one else has either.

You can understand his highs here and be proud of them. I am. You can also take off the orange colored glasses and realize the end of his tenure was the start of where we are now.
 
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columbia vol said:
Yeah it’s real foolish to not to attach the last 10 yrs of futility to a coach with a .743 winning pct. , SEC championships, and a natty. Damn he really screwed things up. If only we had fired him sooner.
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I don't think that whatever is happening now is Fulmer's fault from his head coaching days. There are things that happened during the last 6-7 years of his tenure, which, had those things not happened, we probably would not have been down for nearly as long as we have. Specifically, I am referring to the slide in recruiting, the academic fraud issues that let let Cheek get his claws in the program when they transferred control of the AD from the president to the chancellor and the ensuing issues, and all of the off the field garbage that led to the Fulmer Cup. Those were all things that did not have to happen. Then there's the more subjective, but widely accepted, conclusion that the staff just got complacent after 1998 and they were not prepared to do what had to be done to keep up with Saban, Richt, Meyer, etc. If CPF had taken Vicky's advice and retired after 1998, none of these discussions would ever happen.
 
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columbia vol said:
Yeah it’s real foolish to not to attach the last 10 yrs of futility to a coach with a .743 winning pct. , SEC championships, and a natty. Damn he really screwed things up. If only we had fired him sooner.
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How would you define the Band Guy (Jones) era?
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I don't think that whatever is happening now is Fulmer's fault from his head coaching days. There are things that happened during the last 6-7 years of his tenure, which, had those things not happened, we probably would not have been down for nearly as long as we have. Specifically, I am referring to the slide in recruiting, the academic fraud issues that let let Cheek get his claws in the program when they transferred control of the AD from the president to the chancellor and the ensuing issues, and all of the off the field garbage that led to the Fulmer Cup. Those were all things that did not have to happen. Then there's the more subjective, but widely accepted, conclusion that the staff just got complacent after 1998 and they were not prepared to do what had to be done to keep up with Saban, Richt, Meyer, etc. If CPF had taken Vicky's advice and retired after 1998, none of these discussions would ever happen.
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Just 1 question, are we better by firing him when we did? In my opinion it was a mistake looking back on it now. But the people that keep bashing him for the last 10 yrs. is just wrong. Everybody has different opinions , I just don’t see how that can even be an argument. Oh well to each his own
 
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I think we
columbia vol said:
Just 1 question, are we better by firing him when we did? In my opinion it was a mistake looking back on it now. But the people that keep bashing him for the last 10 yrs. is just wrong. Everybody has different opinions , I just don’t see how that can even be an argument. Oh well to each his own
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I think we waited too long. Maybe we should've kept him around so we could hang a few more 5-6 seasons on him and then nobody would be pining for the good ole days. I suspect, but cannot prove, that they did not do this because given 3-4 more season he might have been able to limp past General Neyland's win total. They took that away from him, probably out of spite.
 
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BeecherVol said:
How would you define the Band Guy (Jones) era?
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I didn’t like it at first, but was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because nobody knew how it would turn out. Couple of good on paper recruiting classes and winning some games gave everyone hope. Soon the cliches and lack of player development was clearly evident that we were going nowhere. If you are trying to get me to compare him to CPF I think is a stretch to say the least.
 
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columbia vol said:
Just 1 question, are we better by firing him when we did? In my opinion it was a mistake looking back on it now. But the people that keep bashing him for the last 10 yrs. is just wrong. Everybody has different opinions , I just don’t see how that can even be an argument. Oh well to each his own
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No. Should have fired him sooner before he had started driving the nails in the coffin.
 
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Gandalf said:
Baby it's Cold Outside
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I listened to as much DM as I could this morning. I think I heard all of the OC talk and he's said two things:

1. CJP knows who he is hiring; and
2. If they thought it would help with recruiting to announce an OC before ESD, they would so announce.

Also, I did not hear any of the 95% done, just 'CJP knows who he is hiring.'

Reading between lines 1 and 2, I only see three options:

A. High school coach.
B. Promote from within.
C. A current assistant who either has a less than stellar track record at OC or has never been an OC before. If it is C, it is not someone who has a reputation as a good recruiter.

BOHICA folks :(
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According to himself, he knows absolutely nothing. Before he said that it was done, he rambled on about Pruitt and staff not giving any information to anyone outside the staff room. Yes, Doug and the AD are friends, but DM also said he has not been given any information. How can someone know something from nothing?
 
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