Dormady v. Guarantano

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discontent523 said:
Jav in a thread on TOS said that during review Jones and Debord have come to the conclusion that the two main issues in the passing game are o line break downs and Dobbs hesitation leading to inaccurate throws. He can make any throw anywhere on the field in practice but in game he becomes over analytical and less instinctive. when reading defenses if his Pre-snap read is wrong he goes conservative to prevent turnovers and tend to miss open receivers in his check downs. They believe if they can get rid of the hesitation the passing game will take the next step.
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This sounds right. I remember during the North Texas game that Josh missed Jennings streaking down the middle of the field wide open for a sure TD. He threw the ball a second late and while he got a completion to the 1 yard line, the late throw caused Jauan to slow his momentum and the DB to catch up. If Josh threw it a second earlier he woulda hit Jauan in stride for an easy TD.

Josh left a lot of plays like that on the field last year. I expect him to convert those this upcoming season.

Dobbs will be the best QB in the SEC.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
This sounds right. I remember during the North Texas game that Josh missed Jennings streaking down the middle of the field wide open for a sure TD. He threw the ball a second late and while he got a completion to the 1 yard line, the late throw caused Jauan to slow his momentum and the DB to catch up. If Josh threw it a second earlier he woulda hit Jauan in stride for an easy TD.

Josh left a lot of plays like that on the field last year. I expect him to convert those this upcoming season.

Dobbs will be the best QB in the SEC.
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Dobbs will be very very good to outstanding next year, I agree. But he won't be the best QB in the SEC....not as long as Chad Kelly is still at OleMiss.
 
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KBVol said:
Dobbs will be very very good to outstanding next year, I agree. But he won't be the best QB in the SEC....not as long as Chad Kelly is still at OleMiss.
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Well said, he could even be on the same level as Kelly but Kelly is a better QB to date.
 
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discontent523 said:
Jav in a thread on TOS said that during review Jones and Debord have come to the conclusion that the two main issues in the passing game are o line break downs and Dobbs hesitation leading to inaccurate throws. He can make any throw anywhere on the field in practice but in game he becomes over analytical and less instinctive. when reading defenses if his Pre-snap read is wrong he goes conservative to prevent turnovers and tend to miss open receivers in his check downs. They believe if they can get rid of the hesitation the passing game will take the next step.
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I definitely believe these are the issues. Not trusting the oline, and not stepping into the pocket were big issues. He bailed too early sometimes. Oline has to get better in pass blocking.
 
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johnrlansford said:
Well said, he could even be on the same level as Kelly but Kelly is a better QB to date.
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Kelly has a much better skillset throwing the football. He's an elite passer, while throwing the ball accurately on a consistent basis is Dobbs' Achilles heel. Doubt he can close that very wide gap.
 
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KBVol said:
Dobbs will be very very good to outstanding next year, I agree. But he won't be the best QB in the SEC....not as long as Chad Kelly is still at OleMiss.
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You had to go there - didn't you :)

You do realize DBH is baiting us with those comments to start another long debate - right?
 
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KBVol said:
Dobbs will be very very good to outstanding next year, I agree. But he won't be the best QB in the SEC....not as long as Chad Kelly is still at OleMiss.
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Just because Chad Kelly throws for a lot of yards doesn't mean he's a great QB. Ole Miss is really no different than air raid teams like Washington State. Its the system that makes the player. Not the other way around.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Just because Chad Kelly throws for a lot of yards doesn't mean he's a great QB. Ole Miss is really no different than air raid teams like Washington State. Its the system that makes the player. Not the other way around.
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That's the same as if someone said a running back is not great just because he runs for a lot yards. The primary job of the quarterback is to throw. Yes, being able to run is helpful. But at the end of the day, throwing is what matters most.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Just because Chad Kelly throws for a lot of yards doesn't mean he's a great QB. Ole Miss is really no different than air raid teams like Washington State. Its the system that makes the player. Not the other way around.
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That's just not true. They were a 10 win team from the SEC west...only team to beat Alabama in 2015 and in each of the last two seasons. System makes the player, eh? LSU's system make Fournette? MSU's system make Prescott? Dare I ask.....Tennessee's system make Dobbs?

Fact is, Kelly's throwing (and running) ability allowed OleMiss' offense to flourish. They were the top total offensive team in the SEC last year, without a rusher in the top 10. Kelly was what made it all work.....he was the SECs top passer, ran for 500 yards, accounted for 41 touchdowns. You can say it was the system all day long, but you'll only look foolish. And I strongly suspect you'll see that your beloved NFL scouts will agree with me when they put out their 2017 QB projections for the draft.
 
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whobethis16 said:
That's the same as if someone said a running back is not great just because he runs for a lot yards. The primary job of the quarterback is to throw. Yes, being able to run is helpful. But at the end of the day, throwing is what matters most.
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Stars are sometimes as much a product of the system and the players around you as they are the skill of the player.

Look no further than Derrick Henry. Led the country in rushing yards and TDs. Broke Herschel Walkers records. Won the heisman.

Yet he's rates behind Ezekiel Elliot as a pro prospect.

Stats are of little value when evaluating players in a team game like football that is so interdependent.
 
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KBVol said:
That's just not true. They were a 10 win team from the SEC west...only team to beat Alabama in 2015 and in each of the last two seasons. System makes the player, eh? LSU's system make Fournette? MSU's system make Prescott? Dare I ask.....Tennessee's system make Dobbs?

Fact is, Kelly's throwing (and running) ability allowed OleMiss' offense to flourish. They were the top total offensive team in the SEC last year, without a rusher in the top 10. Kelly was what made it all work.....he was the SECs top passer, ran for 500 yards, accounted for 41 touchdowns. You can say it was the system all day long, but you'll only look foolish. And I strongly suspect you'll see that your beloved NFL scouts will agree with me when they put out their 2017 QB projections for the draft.
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Kelly is barely 6'0" tall. I'll be surprised is he's higher than a 3rd rounder.

But regardless of nfl prospects, I've really not been impressed watching him play. Even that Alabama game you cite, he had a number of lucky throws that night.

I'm simply not impressed with Kelly. Just as I've never been impressed with Derrick Henry eventhough he broke every rushing record in SEC history.

You can keep rattling off them stats. I just don't see it when I watch him play.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Stats are of little value when evaluating players in a team game like football that is so interdependent.
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Then why do you bring up Dobbs' stats all the time in discussions about his ability?

You are crazy dismissing the ability of Kelly, same as you were when you dismissed Watson's
 
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BearCat204 said:
Then why do you bring up Dobbs' stats all the time in discussions about his ability?

You are crazy dismissing the ability of Kelly, same as you were when you dismissed Watson's
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LOL. I've never brought up Dobbs mediocre stats.

FYI I never dismissed Watson's ability. Skill-wise he's the best in the country. I just doubt his durability. Durability is just as important as skill. Because if you're not available it doesn't matter how good you are.

Kelly I just don't trust. Never wowed me in a game. Plus his off field behavior is a major warning sign for me. I wouldn't want someone with his track record leading my team.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LOL. I've never brought up Dobbs mediocre stats.

FYI I never dismissed Watson's ability. Skill-wise he's the best in the country. I just doubt his durability. Durability is just as important as skill. Because if you're not available it doesn't matter how good you are.

Kelly I just don't trust. Never wowed me in a game. Plus his off field behavior is a major warning sign for me. I wouldn't want someone with his track record leading my team.
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Watson is not a better runner than Dobbs. Dobbs is bigger, faster, and the more physical runner. Watson played against inferior competition with a superior supporting cast. So his rushing stats look artificially better.

I doubt he could run for 135 yards against a defense like Florida.

We'll see how good Watson is against Oklahoma. I suspect he struggles and Clemson gets blown out.
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mmmm ok
 
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BearCat204 said:
Do you ever pause and think before you post anything?
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There's a reason he's projected as a 2nd round pick and is considered behind Elliot in the RB rankings.

Henry is not a great prospect at RB.

He runs upright. Has skinny legs which allows smaller guys to tackle him easily. He lacks quickness and an explosive initial burst through the hole. He has stiff hips which results in a lack of agility and sudden change of direction.

That is why he's going in the 2nd round eventhough his stats say he's the best RB in SEC history.

Eye test >>> stats
 
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BearCat204 said:
mmmm ok
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And if you quoted my other post in that thread I said Watson had better touch and accuracy on long to medium range passes.

Watson and Dobbs are close physically. I just think Dobbs is the better runner while Watson is the better passer right now. Obviously passing is more valuable than running when talking QBs.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
And if you quoted my other post in that thread I said Watson had better touch and accuracy on long to medium range passes.

Watson and Dobbs are close physically. I just think Dobbs is the better runner while Watson is the better passer right now. Obviously passing is more valuable than running when talking QBs.
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It's hard to quote you, you are pretty much all over the place. Also in that OU game, Watson broke off for 145 yards rushing.........what did Dobbs rush for again against OU? Oh, sorry my bad, that doesn't fit into your "eye test".
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
There's a reason he's projected as a 2nd round pick and is considered behind Elliot in the RB rankings.

Henry is not a great prospect at RB.

He runs upright. Has skinny legs which allows smaller guys to tackle him easily. He lacks quickness and an explosive initial burst through the hole. He has stiff hips which results in a lack of agility and sudden change of direction.

That is why he's going in the 2nd round eventhough his stats say he's the best RB in SEC history.

Eye test >>> stats
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Henry is the second ranked RB in the draft........not exactly the definition of not being a great RB prospect. RB's are just a dime a dozen now and not really taken that high in the drafts anymore.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Henry is the second ranked RB in the draft........not exactly the definition of not being a great RB prospect. RB's are just a dime a dozen now and not really taken that high in the drafts anymore.
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First and foremost, this is a weak class for RBs.

But more importantly, just think about what you're saying. The guy who just had the greatest statistical year in SEC history for a RB is 2nd best RB prospect in his own class?

That's a pretty big indictment on you stat guys. Just goes to show the nfl doesn't care how many yards you rush for. Todd Gurley tore his ACL, ran for less yards than Henry, and still went top 10 in the draft.

Skills you show on film >>> numbers on a piece of paper
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Kelly is barely 6'0" tall. I'll be surprised is he's higher than a 3rd rounder.

But regardless of nfl prospects, I've really not been impressed watching him play. Even that Alabama game you cite, he had a number of lucky throws that night.

I'm simply not impressed with Kelly. Just as I've never been impressed with Derrick Henry eventhough he broke every rushing record in SEC history.

You can keep rattling off them stats. I just don't see it when I watch him play.
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He's listed at 6'2 210....of course you just eyeballed him and came up with him being "barely 6'0"...lol. Meanwhile, Watson isn't very tall either while Josh is actually taller than UT lists him according to you.

And if you "just don't see it" then you clearly don't know what to look for. The kid threw for 4,000+ yards and 31 tds and ran for 500 yards and another 10 tds. Meanwhile, while you discount every other qb's ACTUAL stats, you just keep telling us about the stats you just pull out of your imagination that Dobbs will put up next year as "proof" he'll run away with the Heisman. Jeez D4H, you gotta give a better effort than that....too many double standards killing any credibility you might've had.
 
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