Dooley turning in at least five things to the SEC for review/clarification

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I've never seen more blatant holding by a line that wasn't called than LSU's. The pass interference call in the end zone was BS too, the ball was uncatchable. The refs were trying hard to keep LSU in this game, and they finally succeeded in giving it too them. Nothing makes me more upset than to watch kids play so hard just to have the refs step in and change the complexion of a game.
 
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utmba93 said:
Since they had problems with getting the right number of players on the field the week prior, why didn't they work on it last week?

When coaches make mistakes of this degree of incompetence, it's inexcusable.

The game is played with 11 men. It's not that difficult to understand. It's not the offense, but the defense that seems to have this counting problem.

The math is easier after the defense takes the field and has 11 players there. The number who enter should equal the number who exit. It's rare that the fingers on one hand are insufficient for the task required.
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Maybe Dooley can hire you as the official finger counter. Your MBA should qualify you for the job.
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#105
Well i hope they clear it up with the officials , no excuse to see anything like that ever again from Tennessee.
 
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duckman398686 said:
i don't understand why so many are bringing up the "taking off the helmet" issue. people that point to that as a reason for us "getting screwed" are seriously grasping at straws. the guy took his helmet off so close to the end of the play and to the end of the game that it wouldn't have mattered in that situation. no sane ref is going to call that at that point of the game whenever there is that much chaos going on on the field.
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While that may be true, they also don't reverse the game being over too often. I think the real point here is that the refs missed the penalty and blew the whistle signalling the end of the game. Only after did some backup official up in the pressbox (anyone else notice how vague people are in talking about this part?) report that we had 13 men on the field. You can't just re-nig and call a penalty AFTER THE FACT. That's what bothers me. So if you are going to do that for one side, then you have to also review the play and call any penalties on the other side (IE player throwing helmet, LSU might have had 12 players on the field, etc.). I'm just saying you can't have it both ways. I mean in all that excitement and noise, only one person in the whole stadium notices TN has too many players on the field. And he just so happens to be a "backup official".

Something just doesn't feel right to me about the whole thing. SEC refs get all kinds of crucial calls wrong last year and nothing can be done about it, but when we get the benefit of a ref missing something they essentially give the other team a do-over.
 
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I couldn't figure out why there was no flag on that play either. Or the shirt collar take down of JJ on the safety blitz. Hope someone got a good photo of that one to send to the league office as well.

I'm over the game, but I continue to be amazed that the almighty SEC, the most bestest conference in all the universe employees officials with this magnitude of ineptness.
 
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sauza311 said:
While that may be true, they also don't reverse the game being over too often. I think the real point here is that the refs missed the penalty and blew the whistle signalling the end of the game. Only after did some backup official up in the pressbox (anyone else notice how vague people are in talking about this part?) report that we had 13 men on the field. You can't just re-nig and call a penalty AFTER THE FACT. That's what bothers me. So if you are going to do that for one side, then you have to also review the play and call any penalties on the other side (IE player throwing helmet, LSU might have had 12 players on the field, etc.). I'm just saying you can't have it both ways. I mean in all that excitement and noise, only one person in the whole stadium notices TN has too many players on the field. And he just so happens to be a "backup official".

Something just doesn't feel right to me about the whole thing. SEC refs get all kinds of crucial calls wrong last year and nothing can be done about it, but when we get the benefit of a ref missing something they essentially give the other team a do-over.
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by all accounts there were flags in the endzone and even if there weren't that penalty is reviewable by the booth. Are you disputing the fact we had 13 players on the field?
 
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Per Barnhart.

4. Give the SEC officials credit. They got it right in the LSU-Tennessee game: I beat on the officials a bunch last season when it appeared they were getting one big call wrong almost every week. But they got it right at the end of the Tennessee-LSU game. I talked to Rogers Redding, the SEC supervisors of officials once on Saturday night and again on Sunday. If you missed it, find the clip and take a look. LSU trailed 14-10 and was driving in the closing seconds for what would be a winning touchdown. Mass chaos reigned on the LSU bench in the final 30 seconds (Haven’t we read this before?) and as a result the snap flew by quarterback Jordan Jefferson and the clock ran out. Tennessee was celebrating because they had just upset the No. 10 team in the nation on the road. But back in the secondary there were three flags. Tennessee’s defense had 13—that’s right—13 players on the field. LSU got an untimed down and scored to win 17-14.

As painful as it was for Tennessee, the officials got it right. Tennessee got caught trying to sub too many players and trying to match LSU’s personnel when they should have stayed put, because LSU was self-destructing. Tennessee coach Derek Dooley said he didn’t have time to get his players on the field. But Redding read the rule to me and it is clear that there is not an ulimited amount of time to get defensive substitutions on the field. The Tennessee defense got set but unfortunately it was set with 13 players. The official can’t stand over the ball forever or the clock would just run out. Then you have another set of issues.

I looked at the tape several times on Sunday and they got it right. Also, to those of you writing about the LSU player (T-Bob Hebert) snatching his helmet off during the fray: Understand that since the excessive celebration call last year in the Georgia-LSU game, the SEC is not going to let something like that determine the outcome of a game. It did not impact play and is not going to get called in that situation.

There’s Alabama, and then there is everybody else | Mr. College Football
 
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All of the semi-official SEC "sources" keep saying that there were three flags thrown on the last play. I still haven't seen them. In a stadium with 92k fans with cell phone cameras and a national network sports broadcast crew, no one can seem to find a picture of any of the three phantom flags????

It seems like there is more EVIDENCE of a gunman on the grassy knoll in Dallas in 1963 than there is of a flag being thrown on UT at the end of the game.

Face it folks, the call came down from the box to the field to have a do-over. Something is really fishy here!
 
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VolDad said:
Per Barnhart.

4. Give the SEC officials credit. They got it right in the LSU-Tennessee game: I beat on the officials a bunch last season when it appeared they were getting one big call wrong almost every week. But they got it right at the end of the Tennessee-LSU game. I talked to Rogers Redding, the SEC supervisors of officials once on Saturday night and again on Sunday. If you missed it, find the clip and take a look. LSU trailed 14-10 and was driving in the closing seconds for what would be a winning touchdown. Mass chaos reigned on the LSU bench in the final 30 seconds (Haven’t we read this before?) and as a result the snap flew by quarterback Jordan Jefferson and the clock ran out. Tennessee was celebrating because they had just upset the No. 10 team in the nation on the road. But back in the secondary there were three flags. Tennessee’s defense had 13—that’s right—13 players on the field. LSU got an untimed down and scored to win 17-14.

As painful as it was for Tennessee, the officials got it right. Tennessee got caught trying to sub too many players and trying to match LSUÂ’s personnel when they should have stayed put, because LSU was self-destructing. Tennessee coach Derek Dooley said he didnÂ’t have time to get his players on the field. But Redding read the rule to me and it is clear that there is not an ulimited amount of time to get defensive substitutions on the field. The Tennessee defense got set but unfortunately it was set with 13 players. The official canÂ’t stand over the ball forever or the clock would just run out. Then you have another set of issues.

I looked at the tape several times on Sunday and they got it right. Also, to those of you writing about the LSU player (T-Bob Hebert) snatching his helmet off during the fray: Understand that since the excessive celebration call last year in the Georgia-LSU game, the SEC is not going to let something like that determine the outcome of a game. It did not impact play and is not going to get called in that situation.

ThereÂ’s Alabama, and then there is everybody else | Mr. College Football
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I don't like the "It didn't change the play" reasoning for not calling the LSU player's penalty. I think it's hypocritical to use that excuse for him, because the number of players UT had on the field didn't affect the outcome of the play either. I'm OK with the officials living by the letter of the rule or the intent of the rule, but not one standard for one team and a different standard for the other.
 
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The bottom line is, any time you apparently win on the road in an upset like this, get the team off the field and into the locker room PRONTO. It would have been much more obvious to the rest of the nation what a travesty this was if the officials would have had to spend 15 minutes getting the team back out of the locker room to replay one down.

Make the officials look as ridiculous as they in fact were.
 
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First&Tenn said:
I don't like the "It didn't change the play" reasoning for not calling the LSU player's penalty. I think it's hypocritical to use that excuse for him, because the number of players UT had on the field didn't affect the outcome of the play either. I'm OK with the officials living by the letter of the rule or the intent of the rule, but not one standard for one team and a different standard for the other.
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Lost in all of the noise over the end of the game is still that bogus PI call that set them up at the goal line. That DID obviously have an effect on the game!
 
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I am getting weary of moral victories. I want some real W's.

ps, what is the opposite of a "moral victory"? Would it be an "immoral victory"?:)
 
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KB5252 said:
So does Vandy, character gets them nowhere. While character is important to some extent talent and solid coaching wins games. You take character into a game against talent and talent wins 99% of the time.
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Uh, hate to point this out to you, but at least OFF the field, that character or whatever gets the average Vandy grad a LOT (of Benjamins that is).
I wouldn't mind having a white piece of paper from Vandy on my office wall as long as it came with that boatload of small green pieces of paper.
 
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Barnhardt's comments on "watching LSU self-destruct" were spot-on. There was no way they were going to run another positive play (and they didn't). I went nuts watching us try to substitute.

Character + talent will be just fine.
 
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Granted theses are all noteworthy statements, but the bottom line is if the VOLS hold on 4th and 14 its all mute. Really 4th and 14 and give up a first down with 1:20 left on the clock. As i sat in my living room i kept saying...just one play...all you have to do is play defense for 1 play and its over. We didn't and the rest is the debacle we witnessed.
 
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VolDad said:
Per Barnhart.

4. Give the SEC officials credit. They got it right in the LSU-Tennessee game: I beat on the officials a bunch last season when it appeared they were getting one big call wrong almost every week. But they got it right at the end of the Tennessee-LSU game. I talked to Rogers Redding, the SEC supervisors of officials once on Saturday night and again on Sunday. ....
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Redding is scheduled to be on Barnharts radio show (I think at 11:10 Eastern).

http://den-a.plr.liquidcompass.net/cust/WQXIAM/audio_player.php?id=WQXIAM&playerType=silverlight
 
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VolinMichigan said:
Has there ever been an instance in the past where the result of a game has changed after a review/appeal?
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Didn't lsu just appeal their game with wvu? My neighbor said lsu lost by two and appealed and won. Info from a corndog smelling lsu fan take it for what's it worth.
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Joe Vols said:
I've never seen more blatant holding by a line that wasn't called than LSU's. The pass interference call in the end zone was BS too, the ball was uncatchable. The refs were trying hard to keep LSU in this game, and they finally succeeded in giving it too them. Nothing makes me more upset than to watch kids play so hard just to have the refs step in and change the complexion of a game.
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Agreed on holding. RT or RG number 72 was holding every 3rd down pass play. Ridiculous.
 
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I watched it over again, 1. Yes we had too many, they had 11, 2 One of their players left a quick second too early, so they should have had a false start penalty, 3. no flags were thrown till after the mass choas, in which should have also resulted in a penalty from the helmet throw, which what he told the officials were bull, it was blantant, 4 the no call on Simms helmet being ripped off could have gone either way. I did see one official running in as the ball was snapped, but my question would be, shouldn't the officials be counting and watching the players before the ball is snapped or is it just coincidence that they had the booth review and the ref was on for brief second? HMMMM
 
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utvolpj said:
by all accounts there were flags in the endzone and even if there weren't that penalty is reviewable by the booth. Are you disputing the fact we had 13 players on the field?
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Oh no I totally understand we had 13 players on the field. The whole thing just seems strange to me.

1)Aren't they suppossed to blow the play dead before the ball is hiked when there are too many players on the field or is that not true? Doesn't that prove the refs initially had no idea?

2) Many times I've witnessed officials holding the ball so both teams could get set. While we made a grave mistake, there is also a pretty good chance our players notice it when they line up. On this play, LSU didn't even wait long enough to get their guys set. Aren't defenses typically protected against this sort of thing and allowed to get into position?

3) If an official in the pressbox was the only person who initially saw our extra men on the field, then how was he able to communicate it to the refs on the field in that noise monstrosity fast enough for them to throw flags?

4) If you analyze/review a single play with such tenacity and vigor, then how can you manage to miss 2-3 penalties on the other team on the same play unless you are specifically looking for something ONLY ONE SIDE did wrong.

All of these questions lead me to conclude that they were specifically looking for ANYTHING TN did wrong on the play, instead of looking for penalties on both sides. Second, you can't just decide to throw a flag on something you missed once the play has occured. I'm just saying if the positions were switched and we were on offense in the same circumstance, we'd be *****ing about how we weren't allowed to re-do the play because the refs initially missed the call.
 
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