Dooley = Genuis?

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DocVol said:
Very true. Anyone who thinks that Tennessee would still be struggling to beat Kentucky or Vandy with a Saban or Meyer or Spurrier with the same personnel is obviously delusional.

Dooley has recruited well in his time here. Especially for the situation he was put in. But it ends there. THAT part reflects the coach.....not what "he inherited."
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Im not a scientist but didnt spurrier struggle to beat vandy this year with better personel?
 
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Vol$4Life said:
Im not a scientist but didnt spurrier struggle to beat vandy this year with better personel?
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lol...

And Kensucky beat a number-10 ranked South Carolina in 2010. Dooley beat that Kensucky team by 2 scores that year.

And Florida only beat Vanderbilt by 5 points last year. Lol at the irony.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
No really....you should read it. It's much different then all of the other threads posted by the lovers of mediocrity. In this one, our hero Dooley has devised an ingenious scheme to lull our adversaries into a false sense of security before he pounces on them like a jungle cat.
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Actually, that's not what it's about at all. But it really makes all this bashing much easier to take when I see posts like this. I just think to myself...poor guy, reading comprehension must not be his strong suit. It's ok though. Keep trying. You'll eventually get it. :good!:
 
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VOLCLASSOF2014 said:
Actually, that's not what it's about at all. But it really makes all this bashing much easier to take when I see posts like this. I just think to myself...poor guy, reading comprehension must not be his strong suit. It's ok though. Keep trying. You'll eventually get it. :good!:
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The negas see one thing, the win/loss record. That's it. Anything beyond a win/loss record is beyond their comprehension.
 
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dooley2 said:
Yeah, or spoiled. And you having high standards doesn't make the team successful, it makes you a spoiled brat fan. Dave Hart probably has high standards, and if he makes the change, I'll fully support it, because that's his job. You, however, calling for a coach's head because he sucks, when he knows more about football than you probably know about life is dumb. No other way to spin it.
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So you will fully support Charles Manson if Hart hired him? I can think on my own, and don't need Hart to tell me what I can plainly see for myself. Hart knows the same things we all know, but has to be sure that he can get someone here before he pulls the trigger. You can live in la-la land, or bury your head in the sand, maybe pretend everything is ok. Me.... I'm going to find out everything I can, and make my OWN mind up.

"having high standards doesn't make the team successful" Yes it does. Why do you think we all spend our time, and money on UT? We don't run out to buy vandy, la tech, or troy stuff, or maybe 80 other schools that don't have the support that UT enjoys. Why don't they have the support that UT, and like 15-20 others schools around the AA have? I think top 20 schools ALL TIME all have high standards, and will not accept mediocrity.

:hi:
 
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Yeah, not to argue with idiots, in a discussion that no one could win. The situation with Dooley is all out of our hands. The point I would like to drive home with most of VolNation, which I sincerely wish to be circulated and thought through, is the fact Derek Dooley graduated from U of Virginia Law School. Now I could go into details about what that takes to go to law school and actually get a degree, but to paraphrase...DOOLEY IS AN EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT AND THOROUGH individual. Ultimately, he is not the reason we are losing. Everybody wants to talk about how, we don't play the second half, or that our defense gives up too many big plays, which is in response to the new scheme. Bray quits on the team, and Dooley is vicariously living through Bray. Enough people! I am in complete agreement with 2014 original post. That Dooley is in the process of building a dynasty and to reach a high threshold of success, stability must be created. Dooley is having success recruiting relative to our past two seasons and their record. Think about the class ranks and how low attrition rate we have. In conclusion of my thoughts, I want to say to all who happen to read this, try to promote Dooley and his course of action. If we win, we win together, lose we lose together. Nothing good will come out of us pulling the plug and starting over with new coaches. KEEP STABILITY.

VolNATION has ZERO effect on Hart or the Board of Directors thinking process. Trust me Dooley will have great arguments to validate the reasons this process is taking so long. I believe he has a good argument that he has improved every season and will continue to improve. Dooley will be around for several years and I hope for the indefinite future. Thanks for reading!
 
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FearlessFreep said:
Successful programs don't make excuses nor do they have to. Those in charge make everyone accountable including themselves.
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I don't see anyone on the team or staff making excuses. The only people making "excuses" are the people who understand how bad of a mess Dooley walked into. And when you can justify an "excuse" I believe it is called a legitimate reason. We all want to win, but you all are literally giving him no leeway as if he was supposed to win immediately. And the rest, probably out of frustration for the last two years...well the last five really, are already wanting to send him packing 5 games into the first season that it's fair to judge him.
 
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Just think Classof2014 you will one day be able to tell your Children that YOU were there when Dooley rebuilt the program from the ground up.... as you gaze up at his statue next to General Neyland.

The stadium will be renamed Neyland-Dooley Stadium ... there will be a Dooley Avenue somewhere on campus....

Birds will chirp, skys will be blue, electric cars will be mainstream, and we will be celebrating the 900th win as a program.

LOL
 
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localvol said:
So you will fully support Charles Manson if Hart hired him? I can think on my own, and don't need Hart to tell me what I can plainly see for myself. Hart knows the same things we all know, but has to be sure that he can get someone here before he pulls the trigger. You can live in la-la land, or bury your head in the sand, maybe pretend everything is ok. Me.... I'm going to find out everything I can, and make my OWN mind up.

"having high standards doesn't make the team successful" Yes it does. Why do you think we all spend our time, and money on UT? We don't run out to buy vandy, la tech, or troy stuff, or maybe 80 other schools that don't have the support that UT enjoys. Why don't they have the support that UT, and like 15-20 others schools around the AA have? I think top 20 schools ALL TIME all have high standards, and will not accept mediocrity.

:hi:
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I appreciate the fact that you say you can think for yourself. However, I'm appalled that someone with such a sentiment is willing to throw a coach under the bus, when that coach took over an absolute nothing of a program and has it competitive again without even a full cycle of recruits. Since you can think for yourself, then consider that Lane Kiffin said that 2010 was going to be harder than 2009. Now consider that Kiffin left, and a lot of recruits left as well. Now analyze that the 2007 recruiting class was a bust aside from a couple of players, the 2008 recruiting class was horrid, the 2009 recruiting class is non-existent, and the 2010 class, which was Dooley's first class, which he had a grand total of two weeks to hold together and add to, is now at the rs-soph, junior level now. Look at all of those facts, and add in that the schedule in 2010,2011 and 2012 may be the toughest schedule in succession for UT ever, with the SEC as good as its ever been.

Tell me, since you can think for yourself, what about all of that makes Dooley a bad coach if he's not beating top 15 teams in year 3?


And by the way, I hated the Kiffin hire from the very beginning, but by God I was at the Western Kentucky game cheering my heart out. So yes, I will support whoever the AD hires. Unlike a handful of arrogant fans who think " Hart knows the same things we all know". You honestly think you know more about the program than the athletic director himself. Well, if that's true, color me impressed. Were you a fly on the wall during all their meetings? Can you tell me that Dave Hart has no confidence in Dooley? Or are you just speculating?


......yeah, that's what I thought.

Have a nice day.
 
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(Thread highjack)Anyone heard the rumor Fulmer may be brought up in convo about coaching at Kentucky next year??????
 
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WesternKyVol said:
When Hart finally gets around to hiring a real coach who comes in here and starts winnning, all of these irational Dooley supporters will be saying that Dooley would have had the same success if he had been allowed to stay.

These people believe that it is all about recruting--not that Dooley has been an above average recruiter, because he hasn't-- when really recruiting is only 1/3 to 1/2 of the equation.
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Yeah!, he will get another coach, and irrational thinkers like you will give that coach credit on players he didn't build. Example: Lousiana Tech: All those players are Dooley's seniors and juniors.

Today's generation is like this: A brother look what I did, I won a Championship in NCAA football on Playstation. OH, and I got the cheat sheet where my guy can never get tackled....(This was qoute from my brother, but as I get older and view the younger generation, they are a pathetic generation of lazy people that don't feel like progression should be earned) just bought or stolen.

Dooley will be gone, I don't like it because I like what he is building. Would I like a win, oh yeah!, most definately. But he is a smart guy and builds from the ground up, not with a cheat code to get a boost to the top.
 
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mscox75 said:
Yeah!, he will get another coach, and irrational thinkers like you will give that coach credit on players he didn't build. Example: Lousiana Tech: All those players are Dooley's seniors and juniors.

Today's generation is like this: A brother look what I did, I won a Championship in NCAA football on Playstation. OH, and I got the cheat sheet where my guy can never get tackled....(This was qoute from my brother, but as I get older and view the younger generation, they are a pathetic generation of lazy people that don't feel like progression should be earned) just bought or stolen.

Dooley will be gone, I don't like it because I like what he is building. Would I like a win, oh yeah!, most definately. But he is a smart guy and builds from the ground up, not with a cheat code to get a boost to the top.
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I am not sure he will be gone. I think the decision makers are smart enough to realize what he is building and will not listen to the instant gratification group who have idea of how things are earned the real world.
 
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DocVol said:
Very true. Anyone who thinks that Tennessee would still be struggling to beat Kentucky or Vandy with a Saban or Meyer or Spurrier with the same personnel is obviously delusional.

Dooley has recruited well in his time here. Especially for the situation he was put in. But it ends there. THAT part reflects the coach.....not what "he inherited."
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THose 3 coaches you mention have NC rings. Why wouldnt anyone expect them to be able to start faster? You can't compare a young coach to one who has been around awhile.
 
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I could build a house by hand, but prefer to hire an expert to get it done efficiently. I just think UT should do the same. Dooley hasn't done much better than ___________(insert any name) would have given the help he has from tradition and the power T. Not sure anyone could have done worse, that's my point.
 
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dont114 said:
So if Dooley were 5-0 right now, would Kiffin and Fulmer deserve the credit?
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Well if there were any players they had recruited STILL HERE then sure but everybody seems to forget that they all LEFT.... Dooley had nothing when he came here and what he did have transfered or got into trouble and was dismissed aka restoring our tradition that had been mobbled by the Kiffin clan....
 
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bcartervol98 said:
I could build a house by hand, but prefer to hire an expert to get it done efficiently. I just think UT should do the same. Dooley hasn't done much better than ___________(insert any name) would have given the help he has from tradition and the power T. Not sure anyone could have done worse, that's my point.
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This is exactly how I see it. I doubt ANY college coach who had experience as a HC would have done any worse than Dooley has. I understand he has helped build up the roster depth. Just about ANY coach who has shown they could recruit could have done that. UT has alot of tradition, and alot of kids want to be a part of that.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
This is exactly how I see it. I doubt ANY college coach who had experience as a HC would have done any worse than Dooley has. I understand he has helped build up the roster depth. Just about ANY coach who has shown they could recruit could have done that. UT has alot of tradition, and alot of kids want to be a part of that.
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Tradition doesn't matter as much as you think it does. If tradition was really that important, we wouldn't have lost out on recruits who choose GA and Florida over us, or Auburn, or SC.

Kids want either immediate playing time, to get to the NFL or to win. It's hard to go high in the draft from a losing team, so those 2 kinda go together.

When Dooley got here his roster was completely deficient. He had to take what he could get at some positions just to build depth back up. Now, once he has depth, he can compete, but he still just hasn't had that class of studs yet. We are in, right now, on at least five 5-star recruits that see the improvement. If we land those five, we finish well into the top 10 in recruiting, and then recruiting opens up, because great players want to play with great players. That's the process of building a dynasty.
 
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First off im amazed at how well the grammer and punctation is, well done op. Secondly, Good post! You are right on. I wish and do feel like the decision makers understand the process much better then VN and will give DD the time. I know he will get 2013 and it will be the deciding factor whether or not he gets 2014. IMHO I believe 2013 will be a great year for the vols and the skies the limit after that. Go Vols:rock:
 
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Spooglyguild said:
(Thread highjack)Anyone heard the rumor Fulmer may be brought up in convo about coaching at Kentucky next year??????
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It wouldn't surprise me...They have taken a liking to our ex-coaches and players.

It would surprise me that coach Fulmer would want it tho.

Where'd you hear this?
 
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VOLCLASSOF2014 said:
The average fan looks at UT's program and is frustrated at where we are and where we've been. Some find comfort in progress, some will settle for nothing less than winning right now. I'm pretty sure we call these "Posivols" and "Negavols".
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Because of this part right here ^^^ i read the whole post...an excellent generalization of our fanbase, and more specifically volnation :good!:

tired of the masses arguing over "posi" or "negavols"

two terms that mean absolutely nothing but a poster's "allegiance"(for lack of a better word) to derek dooley (or whoever is the coach at the time)...we are all vol fans regardless of what u think of the coach, just bc one supports dooley or supports the firing of dooley doesn't make someone less of a fan...it's just his/her opinion

Also agreed with the general idea of the post, we need more posts with this kind of substance on this board

Go Vols :peace2:
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
I am not sure he will be gone. I think the decision makers are smart enough to realize what he is building and will not listen to the instant gratification group who have idea of how things are earned the real world.
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What is he building and where did he learn to be such a good builder?
 
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