Dooley = Genuis?

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dooley2 said:
Excuse me, but how have we become Kentucky? I never said anything about the program at UT. I was talking about evaluating coaches in general.

Do you lack efficient comprehension skills?
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The only evaluation of coaches is win/loss record.

Last time I checked there's still a scoreboard at all games.

Programs that aspire to win championships don't talk about moral victories or 'other' factors. The others that can't win championships do those things (i.e. Kentucky).
 
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FearlessFreep said:
The only evaluation of coaches is win/loss record.

Last time I checked there's still a scoreboard at all games.

Programs that aspire to win championships don't talk about moral victories or 'other' factors. The others that can't win championships do those things (i.e. Kentucky).
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pretty sure Bama isn't going to be making justifications when they lose a game
 
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FearlessFreep said:
The only evaluation of coaches is win/loss record.

Last time I checked there's still a scoreboard at all games.

Programs that aspire to win championships don't talk about moral victories or 'other' factors. The others that can't win championships do those things (i.e. Kentucky).
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That's dumb. Just plain dumb. There are plenty of coaches that started with bad records, but have since become known as top-notch. Just another close minded individual who judges a book by its cover. ADs do not do this, they take everything into account. Sad state of individuals in America.
 
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dooley2 said:
That's dumb. Just plain dumb. There are plenty of coaches that started with bad records, but have since become known as top-notch. Just another close minded individual who judges a book by its cover. ADs do not do this, they take everything into account. Sad state of individuals in America.
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they look at a resume and I'm pretty sure it contains your Win/loss record over your entire career. I'm also fairly certain they don't look at your 'moral victorues' record.
 
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Here's a question for VN to think about. Would anyone who is a vol fan be willing to accept 6-7 years of bad to mediocre football (i.e. rebuilding process) for 15-20 years of elite winning and championship clubs? I think that is what VOLCLASSOF2014 is trying to imply will happen at UT if CDD is given enough time to do his thing. I personally think if this is the case it would last a little longer than stated above. I guess i would be one of those whose willing to suffer for a while, as long as its done the right way. Which is what i think CDD is doing. :hi:
 
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VOL01-08tn said:
Here's a question for VN to think about. Would anyone who is a vol fan be willing to accept 6-7 years of bad to mediocre football (i.e. rebuilding process) for 15-20 years of elite winning and championship clubs? I think that is what VOLCLASSOF2014 is trying to imply will happen at UT if CDD is given enough time to do his thing. I personally think if this is the case it would last a little longer than stated above. I guess i would be one of those whose willing to suffer for a while, as long as its done the right way. Which is what i think CDD is doing. :hi:
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that is a nice theory but I don't see any evidence to support such a claim. Maybe he needs to win at least one major game before we start proclaiming he is creating a 15-20 football dynasty

smh
 
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WesternKyVol said:
When Hart finally gets around to hiring a real coach who comes in here and starts winnning, all of these irational Dooley supporters will be saying that Dooley would have had the same success if he had been allowed to stay.

These people believe that it is all about recruting--not that Dooley has been an above average recruiter, because he hasn't-- when really recruiting is only 1/3 to 1/2 of the equation.
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It is all about recruiting
 
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#136
Everyone needs to understand that all programs go through some sort of rebuilding process eventually. Bama, SoCal,Auburn,FSU,ORE,UCLA MICH. pretty much all have had some sort of rebuild at some point. No body is immune, not even the GREAT UT.
 
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thebjd said:
I said nothing negative until the Florida game. He has recruited at a decent level but not as good as the coaches he has to beat. He definitely has not coached as well as the coaches he has to beat. I hoped against logic he would be the guy but that has been about as fruitful as hoping the diamond in the rough recruits are better than the 4 and 5 star talent our rivals reel in.
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Contradictory statements at best man. Either Dooley has similar talent levels and can't coach or others have better talent and Dooley can't recruit. I'm decidedly with the show me something now crowd, but at this point it looks like people are making as many excuses to hate Dooley as they are for his performance.
 
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I hope your theory is correct but none of us know for sure. I try my best to stay neutral on the Dooley situation. I'm just a fan and know that I couldn't do any better so I am just riding this thing out and hoping for the best.
 
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theFallGuy said:
that is a nice theory but I don't see any evidence to support such a claim. Maybe he needs to win at least one major game before we start proclaiming he is creating a 15-20 football dynasty

smh
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Again it was just something for VN to think about. Secondly, I agree he needs to win against someone who is the real deal, not sure Miss St. counts either. I wasn't saying he is the messiah, just that i think he is trying to do things the right way ( actually build the program) which is what i prefer.:twocents:
 
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Part of the problem is the near-total absence of "fight" over the past 3 years. Yes...an anorexic roster was partly to blame, but in game after game, I just didn't see the focus or intensity that we see in teams like UF, Bama, and even Vandy. If you can't play well, at least play hard.

The collapse against UF this year was, for me, inexcusable. And although it was encouraging to see UT man up and make a game out of it against UGA, in that game it was our defense that seemed to be just going through the motions.

Can we not get one complete game out of this team in 3 years?

I'm just tired of excuses, and waiting for that elusive "next year" that seems as if it will never arrive.

I'll take Elmer Fudd if he can win.

Go Vols
 
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#141
He needs a signature win as a bare minimum beating Miss State who is ranked. No win is out of the question but Alabama and U.S.C. don't look very promising. That's the dilema for CDD that next year likely Bray, Hunter are likely gone. Not even going to mention Patterson, McCullers if they are eligibile could leave to. My only comment on some who say they got the team to play for 60 minutes against UGA, is thats what a coach is supposed to do. Why did it take so long for that too happen. Why did we see countless games where we are shut out in the second half? I'm neither anti or pro CDD but the VOL nation waits on him to earn another year by great coaching during the game. We are waiting the only stat that matters is a win and a win against a relevant team, not a team with a losing record. Don't think Hart will consider NC State a signature win or Missori.
 
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If they have to make a change around the end of this season or next season whoever the new coach is he will be walking into a lot better situation than Dooley did when he got here.
 
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I'm not sure why most people think that beating Mississippi State wouldn't be a great win. They've been a lot more competitive than us the last couple years. Their stadium/crowd is loud as hell. We will have to play extremely well to win.
 
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KPT_VOL said:
Contradictory statements at best man. Either Dooley has similar talent levels and can't coach or others have better talent and Dooley can't recruit. I'm decidedly with the show me something now crowd, but at this point it looks like people are making as many excuses to hate Dooley as they are for his performance.
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I am saying he can't recruit good enough to overcome his coaching deficiencies. It is obvious we are spinning our wheels.
 
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thebjd said:
I am saying he can't recruit good enough to overcome his coaching deficiencies. It is obvious we are spinning our wheels.
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Very valid comment and CAN NOT be discounted.

Doley has done an average job of recruiting in the SEC at best, but he has done a well below average job of coaching/motivating the team.

That is a combination that leads to 1-9 in his last 10 SEC games and an overall record of 14-16
 
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