Dooley = Genuis?

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GreyWolf1129 said:
Short post. Only requires ability to understand small numbers.

Dooley is 14-16 at UT...

...4-14 in the SEC, with 3 of those wins against Vandy and UK...

...0-3 against UF and UGA, 0-2 against Bama and USCe (so far)...

...still looking for that "first big win" against a ranked opponent...

...whatever "Phase" UT football is in, it's time to phase out, and go in a different direction.

When the posturing, speculation, and opinionating is done, what remains is the raw data, which cannot be denied...or explained away.

Go Vols.
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Raw Data: How many times in CPF's last 3 years on the HILL did he post wins against Fla, GA, Bama, and USCe?
 
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C'mon guys everyone must blindly believe Derek Dooley is our football savior because real fans believe their coach is the best in the country. His past failures mean nothing because of the mess he inherited and was brave enough to take a substantial pay raise at no risk to him. /sarcasm
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Short post. Only requires ability to understand small numbers.

Dooley is 14-16 at UT...

...4-14 in the SEC, with 3 of those wins against Vandy and UK...

...0-3 against UF and UGA, 0-2 against Bama and USCe (so far)...

...still looking for that "first big win" against a ranked opponent...

...whatever "Phase" UT football is in, it's time to phase out, and go in a different direction.

When the posturing, speculation, and opinionating is done, what remains is the raw data, which cannot be denied...or explained away.

Go Vols.
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Shortsighted.
 
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T_man said:
Thank you for the time and effort you have taken to go into detail assessing the state of the program under Coach Dooley. I think you have stated it well. Success doesn't come overnight when rebuilding a program. Coach Spurrier proves that point. Look how long it has taken him to establish South Carolina. It appears it has been worth the wait. He would have never lasted that long here. I am far more dissappointed with our fan base than I am with our team.
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This is the best post I've ever read on VN! :salute::hi:
 
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thebjd said:
How did that turn out for him?
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You completely missed the point--CPF had years to get UT established and winning consistently--and he led us down a path to a NC--and then down a road to failure. He had a better program with top-flight talent when he stole it from Majors and it still took him a few while...

CDD hasn't even been given a chance to develop his recruits through 4 years and you guys are calling all kind of names and saying he's a failure....CDD needs--as the OP stated--2 more years for an HONEST evaluation...Guys like you vote not to allow that because--like the rest of the "herd-mentality"--all you're about is instant gratification....
 
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DocVol said:
Be careful. Factual data, logical thoughts and statistical information is not welcome on VN.
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Yep....I was one of those who believed your "factual" data, logical thoughts, and insider information about who would be our next DC--where did that get me?

Please apply your own logic to yourself first before trashing people who actually do make sense...or fly back to your bat-cave and inhale some more guano...
 
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DocVol said:
Didn't get past the title and already I'm laughing.

Is this for real?
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What's the point of responding if you didn't even read it?


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barknoxbrawler said:
3-4 is killing us but wins and loses= dooley stays or goes is based on what? Us, on Volnation and the talking heads says he is gone if he goes 6-6 or worse this year? Only the person up top right now has his mind set on if this happens then CDD is gone and know one else. We put a limit on wins and loses as an excuse to get rid of him not the University. Who knows....I hope he stays for 10 more years + and we have multiple 10+ win seasons.
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It's an opinion...you are right, we don't control. I hope he is successful too, but he is in the prove it phase. A win over MSU on the road would start proving it.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
You completely missed the point--CPF had years to get UT established and winning consistently--and he led us down a path to a NC--and then down a road to failure. He had a better program with top-flight talent when he stole it from Majors and it still took him a few while...

CDD hasn't even been given a chance to develop his recruits through 4 years and you guys are calling all kind of names and saying he's a failure....CDD needs--as the OP stated--2 more years for an HONEST evaluation...Guys like you vote not to allow that because--like the rest of the "herd-mentality"--all you're about is instant gratification....
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I said nothing negative until the Florida game. He has recruited at a decent level but not as good as the coaches he has to beat. He definitely has not coached as well as the coaches he has to beat. I hoped against logic he would be the guy but that has been about as fruitful as hoping the diamond in the rough recruits are better than the 4 and 5 star talent our rivals reel in.
 
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In all honesty, I would like to see this plan that he presented to Hamilton.
 
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thebjd said:
So losing games and recruiting battles to the teams we have to beat is the slow and steady approach to sustained success. I get it now. Genius.
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Wouldn't expect anything less from a Grudenite :)

But listen not to just you, but everybody who has had some kind of snide remark, I want to say this. I understand the frustration of not winning. I'm right there with you. Dooley has done very little on the field to prove to me that he's the guy. If you all read the whole post (I know it was really long), you would understand that basically all I'm saying is the potential is there. And the only thing bad Dooley did that I would hold against him in the first tw years was lose to Kentucky.

We can still have a good season. Seriously, there's 7 games left plus a bowl. It is extremely cliche and people don't want to hear it, but just let it all play out. If Dooley's gone after this year or next then I will eat crow. But it's not like there is nothing to like about him or that he hasn't shown potential. Keep his tenure in perspective with all things considered and give the man a fair chance. He's earned it just by coming here and giving us stability. This is his first year of having a chance...let him play this season. Posivols I love your optimism. Negavols, I love how you keep the posivols from settling and accepting mediocrity. Go Vols!
 
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$1,000,000 recruiting budget

$48,000,000 training facility

100,000 seat stadium

When you have those advantages you don't get a lot of time and your genius needs to quit wasting his talking about process. It would be better spent leading, motivating, teaching and developing winning game plans.
 
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VOLCLASSOF2014 said:
Prefaces: Long post, Requires an open mind, You'll have to stay with me

SN: The first part of this post is just briefing/rehashing where we've been as a program recently. So if you are too lazy to read it all, you can get to the main point by scrolling to the part that has a bunch of *******************s above it. That's where I lay out my idea/argument.

So going back to what has transpired the last 5 years, the extremely cliche, yet equally accurate story/description of what has happened to UT can be almost recited in the most avid Vol fan's sleep.

3 coaches in 3 years (5 now), 3 consecutive recruiting classes are busts (2007-2009), etc etc we all know the routine.

The average fan looks at UT's program and is frustrated at where we are and where we've been. Some find comfort in progress, some will settle for nothing less than winning right now. I'm pretty sure we call these "Posivols" and "Negavols".

Regardless of your stance on Dooley and the program, or whether you are either of the two aforementioned types of fan of the Vols, most likely you understood that when Dooley was hired, or perhaps it was obvious soon thereafter, that this job was a rebuilding job and getting back to our winning ways was going to be a process.

With that being said, here's the argument I'm about to make. You can accept it, reject it, mock it, give me a tl;dr...I honestly don't give a flip. But this just popped in my mind so I'm posting it. Buckle up because here we go...

A second ago I said that getting back to our winning ways was going to be a process. Process. PROCESS. Not exactly a fun word. In this "what have you done for me lately" world we live in, results are expected quickly and the patience of a fan base can be equated to the life expectancy of that sketchy goldfish won at the county fair.

I also feel I can say this confidently. Not even the most positive of Posivols are going to wait on Dooley if he doesn't get a signature win or at least a couple of quality wins here soon. However, the following is not necessarily an argument to wait on Dooley, but more or less an argument and analysis of Dooley that will attempt to refute those who simply say "Dooley sucks".

Getting back to the word process, I think this describes Dooley. He is a man of process. He doesn't recruit with hot sauce, he's not a quick-fix kind of guy. Over the last 3 years, that has been made evident. The progress Dooley has made has not been the kind that has shown up in the win column...yet.

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With Dooley's slow and steady approach, however, I think he could be more than merely a diamond in the rough. I believe Derek Dooley, if given enough time (key phrase) could be building a program that is geared to have sustained success over a long period of time...a dynasty if you will. However, looking at how bad the situation was when he took over, I would give a rough estimate that in order for that to happen, he would need 6-8 years. In other words, longer than he's going to get unless he starts winning some big games and gets us to at least 8-4 in the next two years (which I personally believe he will get).

If you've been paying close attention to the Derek Dooley tenure, you will notice that there has been slow/incremental progress. Just looking at the roster from where it was two years ago is huge on its own. However, I want to describe a 3 phase plan I believe Dooley has had from the beginning in order to build a "could-be" dynasty.

Phase 1: (Dooley's first two years)
Remembering back to the state of the program when Dooley chose to take this job, it wasn't merely some roster attrition and a few bad seasons. It was essentially a roster overhaul combined with a horrible culture in the midst of an NCAA investigation. Therefore, Dooley, realizing he was starting from scratch, had to build a solid foundation. With a few weeks before signing day, Dooley assembled an overall very average staff (basically all he could get considering the mess we were in) that included a few good coaching prospects (one being himself). He proceeded to recruit safe the next two years in order to bring stability to the program. This meant not going after some higher risk players but probably more talented in preference of players who may have not be as talented, but would remain with the program all 4 years and were character guys/coachable.

Phase 2: (Years 3, 4, and possibly 5)
This is the phase we are currently in, and the last phase we may see if Dooley doesn't come up with some big wins soon. Continuing though...after 2 years of attempting to bring stability to the program, it is safe to say that minus a bad loss to Kentucky that Dooley did just that. Many people will argue that is not true. "Just look at how many coaches left this off-season" they say. Well, it is my personal belief that many of the staff members Dooley had that left, minus 1 or 2, were probably ones Dooley wanted gone after year 1 but since we were still unstable as a program (recruiting wise mainly), Dooley thought better of it to keep them 1 more year. So here we are 2 1/2 years in, and we are not where we want to be as a program just yet, but we have a solid foundation as far as the roster goes, an identity on Defense schematically has been revealed (simply wanting to be a 3-4/multiple defense a la Alabama), and we've made good progress offensively. Dooley has proven that he can assemble a good staff and, probably most encouraging, we are taking more risks on the recruiting front and pursuing players that are elite.

Phase 3: (Year 6 and beyond)
This is the BOOM phase in which all of the potential turns into reality and all the fruit of the labor is shown. This stage includes essentially becoming what we once were in the "good ole days" and possibly much more. This phase will be marked by not only competing for upper-echelon players on the recruiting front, but actually landing many of them. In congruence with our elite recruiting, we will be competing for SEC and National Championships every year. Furthermore, a culture of winning will be restored back to Tennessee and could propel us into another dynasty/golden age of Tennessee football.

Here's the deal. Right now we're about 3/4 to 3/5 of the way into Phase 2. We're not where we want to be, the fruits of the labor aren't showing up in the win column just yet, but could be very very soon. The only way we can even reach phase 3 is if Dooley can plunge himself off of the hotseat and basically prove that he doesn't belong there.

The How: I personally believe Dooley gets 2 more years barring a catastrophic meltdown of a season (6-6 or worse). If Dooley doesn't get to 8 wins this year but is competitive with all rivals and goes 7-5, he will need a big 2013. If Dooley can go 8-4 this year with losses coming to only Fla, UGA, Bama, USCe, all basically top 10 programs, and goes 8-4 or better next year, I believe he's off the hot seat. Nobody's satisfied with 8-4, I'm just saying I think back to back 8-4s takes him off the hot seat.

The Why: No elite recruits want to come to a school where the coach is on the hot seat. Stability is one of the biggest things recruits look at. Once stability is complete, Tennessee will recruit like we did back in the 90s.

The BIG If: If Dooley can make it to years 4 or 5 and manage to at least make it to the SEC championship game, Tennessee will then have shifted into Phase 3. Recruiting will then take off.

The Bottom Line: Regardless of whether Dooley is the man for the job or not, he deserves respect. He took a dumpster fire of a situation, embraced UT in every way, has been a great ambassador for the program and brought back at the very least a semblance of stability. Many Posivols want to give him the benefit of the doubt for those very reasons. Also, he is full of potential. The man is a man of character, has a great personality and is an eloquent speaker, is extremely intelligent, has good pedigree and a well-known name, already has a trademark with the pants and his hair is immaculate. If he was winning, everybody would absolutely love him. Same with any other coach that's winning. A proven coach might could come in here and turn things around in 2 years or so, but honestly, the potential with Dooley is worth waiting to see. Not the whole 6 years, but at least til next year when he has a full roster that's 95 percent his. I think he can do it, and I think that he doesn't suck like a lot of people think he does. He may be slower than we would like, but I honestly think he knows what it takes to get us back and not only that, but to keep us back. I think if he was coaching a Georgia, LSU, or Bama, it wouldn't be so slow and steady because he would already have what he needs, but if he has some success this year and/or next, watch out. The rebuilding will be over and Tennessee will be back. GBO!!! VFL!!!
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You are right. And there is a reason NOBODY wanted the Tennessee job when Dooley took it. They knew it would take 3 or 4 years to get us back on top. And they didnt want to put in all the work like Dooley has done. And put up with all the crap from fans and media. So to those guys who turned us down, we do not want you now. Real UT fans know what went wrong. And who got us in this mess to start with.
 
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I can understand people saying he's not going to be fired this season.but I don't understand why some people think he shoud get 2 more years.Dooley might be fired at the end of the season or he might not but there's no way he gets 2 more years to turn it around.
 
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If we wait until the end of season to announce a change, we've waited too long, and the Sunshine Dumpers will be correct.....it will hurt recruiting and set us back. Still needs to happen though.....Dooley is not HC material.

The sooner the better.
 
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VOLCLASSOF2014 said:
Wouldn't expect anything less from a Grudenite :)

But listen not to just you, but everybody who has had some kind of snide remark, I want to say this. I understand the frustration of not winning. I'm right there with you. Dooley has done very little on the field to prove to me that he's the guy. If you all read the whole post (I know it was really long), you would understand that basically all I'm saying is the potential is there. And the only thing bad Dooley did that I would hold against him in the first tw years was lose to Kentucky.

We can still have a good season. Seriously, there's 7 games left plus a bowl. It is extremely cliche and people don't want to hear it, but just let it all play out. If Dooley's gone after this year or next then I will eat crow. But it's not like there is nothing to like about him or that he hasn't shown potential. Keep his tenure in perspective with all things considered and give the man a fair chance. He's earned it just by coming here and giving us stability. This is his first year of having a chance...let him play this season. Posivols I love your optimism. Negavols, I love how you keep the posivols from settling and accepting mediocrity. Go Vols!
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The standard at a school like Tennessee is how you do against the top teams. It always has been. That is why we have a 100k seat stadium, a nationally recognized program, and such a passionate fan base. We are big time program and seem to have forgotten that. We should not be hand wringing going into a game against MSU. I love my school and want the best coach possible. I want Gruden. That doesn't mean I won't be at the games with my family cheering every player on as well as Dooley. The best case scenario would have been for Dooley to be the guy but the gap is not narrowing between Tennessee and the teams he has to beat.
 
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VOL6479 said:
I can understand people saying he's not going to be fired this season.but I don't understand why some people think he shoud get 2 more years.Dooley might be fired at the end of the season or he might not but there's no way he gets 2 more years to turn it around.
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Unfortunately, a lot of opinions and suppositions posted on this board turn into facts and justifications for accepting our lot.
 
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thebjd said:
The standard at a school like Tennessee is how you do against the top teams. It always has been. That is why we have a 100k seat stadium, a nationally recognized program, and such a passionate fan base. We are big time program and seem to have forgotten that. We should not be hand wringing going into a game against MSU. I love my school and want the best coach possible. I want Gruden. That doesn't mean I won't be at the games with my family cheering every player on as well as Dooley. The best case scenario would have been for Dooley to be the guy but the gap is not narrowing between Tennessee and the teams he has to beat.
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See I get called a sunshine pumper and a Dooleyite yada yada yada, but the truth is, I agree with everything in this post. I want to win bad. If we lose to MSU, I honestly don't know what I'll do, but I'm willing to let Dooley have his chance which I don't think he's had yet. Has it been ugly the last couple of years? Of course. And I'm not settling whatsoever. But like someone said a while back. Just knowing what he walked into, knowing nobody else worth a flip wanted the job, I don't see how we can't give him a chance. He hasn't had it yet. These next two years are his chance imo. If he can't do it, he was valuable to us in that he stood in the gap and stabilized things until we got a proven coach.
 
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