Dobbs: 'I want to complete every ball I throw'

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Dudleys87 said:
I'm guessing he will hang around 58-61%

Same Dobbs. Same wtf throws here and there.
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Funny thing is he is better than T Martin by a long shot. T never was close to the runner and had 7 games in 98 with a completion % under 45. The one thing T had was a deep ball to better WR. If Dobbs and the WR can put together 2 deep balls a game watch out.
 
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Dobbs wants every pitch to be called a strike, I'll buy that, it's not unreasonable
 
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bigdaddy said:
funny thing is he is better than t martin by a long shot. T never was close to the runner and had 7 games in 98 with a completion % under 45. The one thing t had was a deep ball to better wr. If dobbs and the wr can put together 2 deep balls a game watch out.
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bigdaddy said:
Funny thing is he is better than T Martin by a long shot. T never was close to the runner and had 7 games in 98 with a completion % under 45. The one thing T had was a deep ball to better WR. If Dobbs and the WR can put together 2 deep balls a game watch out.
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People forget we were losing to Miss St. in the 4th quarter.
 
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I wonder what Dobbs completion % would have been if the WRs didnt drop so many passes? I hope Dobbs absolutely lights it up this year and he has all the talent to doing so. As I have said before, if Dobbs passing ability finally matches his running abilities, we will field the best QB in the country.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I wonder what Dobbs completion % would have been if the WRs didnt drop so many passes? I hope Dobbs absolutely lights it up this year and he has all the talent to doing so. As I have said before, if Dobbs passing ability finally matches his running abilities, we will field the best QB in the country.
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What do you mean "if the WRs didn't drop so many passes"? Got anything to back that up with? How many passes did they drop and how did that stack up vs the rest of the SEC and nation?

I ask because I honestly don't recall that many drops last year. For example, in another thread a few months ago, someone brought up the Arky game and said we had 5 dropped passes that game.....it was actually 3.....and that wasn't bad considering Dobbs threw 36 passes that day.
 
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KBVol said:
What do you mean "if the WRs didn't drop so many passes"? Got anything to back that up with? How many passes did they drop and how did that stack up vs the rest of the SEC and nation?

I ask because I honestly don't recall that many drops last year. For example, in another thread a few months ago, someone brought up the Arky game and said we had 5 dropped passes that game.....it was actually 3.....and that wasn't bad considering Dobbs threw 36 passes that day.
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The worst drop I remember is the one by the Ga player. We had our fair share of drops, fumbles and missed FGs.
 
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KBVol said:
What do you mean "if the WRs didn't drop so many passes"? Got anything to back that up with? How many passes did they drop and how did that stack up vs the rest of the SEC and nation?

I ask because I honestly don't recall that many drops last year. For example, in another thread a few months ago, someone brought up the Arky game and said we had 5 dropped passes that game.....it was actually 3.....and that wasn't bad considering Dobbs threw 36 passes that day.
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FTR, 3/36 passes dropped means that 8.3% of his passes were dropped. That's about twice as high as you'd like to see.

The struggles of the passing game shouldn't be laid soley at the feet of the WRs by any means. They're just one of the 3 facets of the passing game UT struggled in last season (the other two being consistent passing accuracy and pass protection). But there were an unacceptably high number of drops, some of which could have made the difference in our losses and/or aided a struggling passing attack.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
The worst drop I remember is the one by the Ga player. We had our fair share of drops, fumbles and missed FGs.
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We had our share of missed fgs for sure. We were one of the best teams in the SEC and country regarding fumbles/turnovers lost.....only 7 in 13 games.

And again, no one has been able to back up the assertion that we had "all those dropped passes last year" with actual numbers/stats that I've seen.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
FTR, 3/36 passes dropped means that 8.3% of his passes were dropped. That's about twice as high as you'd like to see.

The struggles of the passing game shouldn't be laid soley at the feet of the WRs by any means. They're just one of the 3 facets of the passing game UT struggled in last season (the other two being consistent passing accuracy and pass protection). But there were an unacceptably high number of drops, some of which could have made the difference in our losses and/or aided a struggling passing attack.
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Honest question....do you have any stats to back up the supposed "unacceptably high number of drops"? I haven't seen any.

And, where is it accepted that you only want 4% passes dropped? I think 1 out of 12 is a pretty good number just on the face of it....,..but you're saying it should be 1 out of 24 balls thrown. That'd be great, but is that really the average or target number you're realistically shooting for?

I went back and watched that Arky game and I had to search for those drops, one of which was by AK on a swing pass......it wasn't like we were dropping a lot of balls that night, at all.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
FTR, 3/36 passes dropped means that 8.3% of his passes were dropped. That's about twice as high as you'd like to see.

The struggles of the passing game shouldn't be laid soley at the feet of the WRs by any means. They're just one of the 3 facets of the passing game UT struggled in last season (the other two being consistent passing accuracy and pass protection). But there were an unacceptably high number of drops, some of which could have made the difference in our losses and/or aided a struggling passing attack.
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I was never insinuating that the WRs were totally to blame. Just like you stated here, they were part of the problem. Dobbs had his inaccuracies no doubt. No one person is to blame.
 
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KBVol said:
We had our share of missed fgs for sure. We were one of the best teams in the SEC and country regarding fumbles/turnovers lost.....only 7 in 13 games.

And again, no one has been able to back up the assertion that we had "all those dropped passes last year" with actual numbers/stats that I've seen.
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We had an interception to end the Ok game, had a key fumble against Ar, we had a sack fumble against Bama to end the game, pulled a Ga to let SC back in the game.

I did a poor job recording the games last year, it may have been for the best. I'm not sure how I would feel if I was able to rewatch the OK, Fl, Bama, and Arky games over and over.

For every drop we had they were dropping picks too.

I'm ready for some football.
 
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KBVol said:
Honest question....do you have any stats to back up the supposed "unacceptably high number of drops"? I haven't seen any.

And, where is it accepted that you only want 4% passes dropped? I think 1 out of 12 is a pretty good number just on the face of it....,..but you're saying it should be 1 out of 24 balls thrown. That'd be great, but is that really the average or target number you're realistically shooting for?

I went back and watched that Arky game and I had to search for those drops, one of which was by AK on a swing pass......it wasn't like we were dropping a lot of balls that night, at all.
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Ideally speaking, you'd want to average a little less than 1 drop per 24 passes.

It's really not that hard to wrap your head around if you think about it. Of any 24 ball thrown you can expect 30-40% not to be completed (with good QB play). So (rounding up) that's 7-10 incompletions of 24 passes if you have good QB play. Of those, you can expect a few to be defended, a couple uncatchable passes, and a ball or two thrown away. What you can't afford to have is nearly 1/10 of your passes thrown be drops by receivers on catchable balls.

It's hard to find stats for CFB and comparing the college game to the NFL game isn't always the most productive of pursuits because the level of play is much higher in the NFL. However, the passing game in college, generally speaking, features larger passing windows and schemes and rule differences friendlier to the passing game, so I think this is a situation where you can compare the two, like you could for, say, completion percentage. What's bad in one league is bad in the other, too.

That all being said, 8.3 percent would have been dead last in the NFL last season in drop percentage by more than 2%. The best percentage was ~2% and the median was right at 4%.

Granted, I'm not sure if that percentage would hold steady over the course of the season (the Arkansas game might be a fluke, though I imagine our season drop percentage was probably somewhere between 7-9% based off of nothing but personal recollection, which I will admit is flawed and unreliable), so the point would be moot. But generally speaking, if your offense is dropping more than 5% of the passes thrown, you're not getting good play from your WRs.
 
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FWIW, I'm sure Butch would call a 8.3% drop rate unacceptably high as well. He's been quoted multiple times as saying that drops are one thing their offense can absolutely not have. He's even called them equivalent to turnovers.
 
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