Dobbs at the Combine

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KBVol said:
Your first paragraph made my point exactly.

The ONLY reason a fast 40 time could lead to talk of a qb moving to another position is because that player isn't highly coveted as an NFL QB....hence, the talk about Knight, if it's legit.

So I ask you, are you saying Dobbs isn't highly coveted as an NFL QB, since he ran the second best 40 behind Knight at the Combine? Why would you be concerned that his 40 time would hurt him? Didn't hurt Mariota or Vick. Like you said, a super fast 40 can only hurt your prospects "if you're not a highly rated qb to begin with".....thought you said Dobbs was a first round talent, clearly the best qb in the draft, and would be taken no later than the 2nd round, all of which define "highly rated qb".
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If Dobbs is half the QB D4h contends he is Dobbs could literally have bested John Ross in the 40 and it still wouldn't matter and the why is glaringly obvious. A legit NFL QB is worth more, by far, than any other skill position even if that person was an Olympic decathlete. People worthy of playing NFL QB don't get shipped off to catch passes from lesser QB's because the former can run faster.
 
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KBVol said:
Your first paragraph made my point exactly.

The ONLY reason a fast 40 time could lead to talk of a qb moving to another position is because that player isn't highly coveted as an NFL QB....hence, the talk about Knight, if it's legit.

So I ask you, are you saying Dobbs isn't highly coveted as an NFL QB, since he ran the second best 40 behind Knight at the Combine? Why would you be concerned that his 40 time would hurt him? Didn't hurt Mariota or Vick. Like you said, a super fast 40 can only hurt your prospects "if you're not a highly rated qb to begin with".....thought you said Dobbs was a first round talent, clearly the best qb in the draft, and would be taken no later than the 2nd round, all of which define "highly rated qb".
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That's cause I'm smarter than the clowns who run NFL front offices. Remember these guys forced Warren Moon to play in Canada for many years cause they thought he couldn't play QB in the NFL.

I don't expect NFL personnel evaluators to know what they are doing.
 
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KBVol said:
If his NFL future is at safety, I'd venture to say he has no NFL future.
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As an athlete his size he has a shot at safety. The way he throws the ball gives him no shot at quarterback.

For all of us that thought Dobbs had some head-scratchers (accuracy & decision making) he looks like Tom Brady in that aspect next to Trevor Knight.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's cause I'm smarter than the clowns who run NFL front offices. Remember these guys forced Warren Moon to play in Canada for many years cause they thought he couldn't play QB in the NFL.

I don't expect NFL personnel evaluators to know what they are doing.
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Is that why NFL front offices are lining up to hire you?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's cause I'm smarter than the clowns who run NFL front offices. Remember these guys forced Warren Moon to play in Canada for many years cause they thought he couldn't play QB in the NFL.

I don't expect NFL personnel evaluators to know what they are doing.
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NEVER go full retard. And you continue every single day to go full retard.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's cause I'm smarter than the clowns who run NFL front offices. Remember these guys forced Warren Moon to play in Canada for many years cause they thought he couldn't play QB in the NFL.

I don't expect NFL personnel evaluators to know what they are doing.
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If you were 1/100th as smart as you think you are, you'd realize that the GMs of 1978-1984 who all passed Moon up in the draft are all either retired or dead.


Scouting has come a long, long way since those times. And it's still a crap shoot much of the time.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's cause I'm smarter than the clowns who run NFL front offices. Remember these guys forced Warren Moon to play in Canada for many years cause they thought he couldn't play QB in the NFL.

I don't expect NFL personnel evaluators to know what they are doing.
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Oh, jeez, look at you, better than the professionals.

I deal with people like you all the time. People who think they know more about medicine than people who have spent their entire adult lives studying it and practicing it. Yeah, your Wikipedia knowledge is astounding. We all bow to you with your fancy degree from Google U.
 
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DevilDoc said:
Oh, jeez, look at you, better than the professionals.

I deal with people like you all the time. People who think they know more about medicine than people who have spent their entire adult lives studying it and practicing it. Yeah, your Wikipedia knowledge is astounding. We all bow to you with your fancy degree from Google U.
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I think most doctors are worthless on their own. My experience is that patients must drag doctors by their noses to the answer, or the doc never finds it. I thank God for real collaborative knowledge provided by Google, rather than relying on inept pinheads with MD's.
 
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Old Geezer said:
I think most doctors are worthless on their own. My experience is that patients must drag doctors by their noses to the answer, or the doc never finds it. I thank God for real collaborative knowledge provided by Google, rather than relying on inept pinheads with MD's.
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Well umm.. in order to diagnose, fix, or treat the problem. You kinda have to tell the doctor what is wrong, history, and all your symptoms.
 
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Old Geezer said:
I think most doctors are worthless on their own. My experience is that patients must drag doctors by their noses to the answer, or the doc never finds it. I thank God for real collaborative knowledge provided by Google, rather than relying on inept pinheads with MD's.
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Then use Google instead of a doctor.

If you tell me vaccines cause autism next, then I'll know you're completely full of it.
 
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Old Geezer said:
I think most doctors are worthless on their own. My experience is that patients must drag doctors by their noses to the answer, or the doc never finds it. I thank God for real collaborative knowledge provided by Google, rather than relying on inept pinheads with MD's.
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Also, you can take the sock off, D4H.
 
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Grudenator said:
Well umm.. in order to diagnose, fix, or treat the problem. You kinda have to tell the doctor what is wrong, history, and all your symptoms.
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Yeah, I know. Too often, you also have to tell them the diagnoses and resist the wrong answers. Too often, you have to diagnose the problem prior to seeing a doctor, or you waste time and boatloads of money seeing the doctor, only to get superficial treatment that misses the problem.
 
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Old Geezer said:
Google cannot write prescriptions. As a doctor you should know this.
Otherwise, I would use Google and use the doc as a consultant
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1) Not a doctor. Devil Doc is something else entirely.

2) MDs are not the only ones who can write scripts.

3) Your lack of knowledge of chemistry, biology, pharmacology, fluid dynamics, etc. cannot be compensated by a quick Google search. Yeah, for a lot of common things (what's this rash on my leg?) you don't even need a doctor and can use WebMD or whatever it is.

However, don't pretend like you can come even close to the working knowledge that medical professionals possess. You can Google "Vaccines cause autismz" or "types of autoimmune responses," but the actual work done in actual labs by actual professionals trumps whatever secondhand knowledge you gleaned from Wikipedia.

So, like I said, for a good chunk of your problems don't go see a doctor. That's OK, but when a problem is serious don't discard their 10+ years of training just to be able to treat you. Informed patients are a good thing, but know-it-alls are not.

You know, D4H, you can just respond using your main account. It's OK.
 
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For those interested, the throwing velocity numbers from the combine were recently released. I searched, but couldn't find Dobbs' numbers, so I'm assuming he didn't throw.

Here they are.


Previous year's numbers for reference

A post putting the velocity numbers in perspective

Also, a table breaking down the correlation between QB throwing velocity and success

Basically, going off of history, most successful QBs can hit at least 55 mph. Being under that doesn't mean a QB can't be successful though, and there are plenty of guys who could throw the living s*** out of the ball who never panned out too (Bray hit 59).


So, all of that being said, that number might show why Watson's stock isn't as high as many thought it would/should be going into the draft (and why guys like Kizer and Mahomes' stock has risen). I'm not sure there has ever been a successful NFL QB in the modern era who couldn't hit the low 50s (though Mike Glennon will have a chance with the Bears to buck that trend in 2017).


Makes me interested to see what Dobbs' numbers are. I don't think he threw.
 
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Old Geezer said:
2017 Quarterback post-combine Rankings
Rank Player School Overall
1 Mitchell Trubisky North Carolina 12
2 DeShone Kizer Notre Dame 17
3 Deshaun Watson Clemson 29
4 Patrick Mahomes Texas Tech 34
5 Davis Webb California 51
6 Brad Kaaya Miami (Fla.) 60
7 Nathan Peterman Pittsburgh 61
8 Chad Kelly Ole Miss 71
9 Joshua Dobbs Tennessee 173

Dobbs in top 10 at 173 overall ... according to Matt Miller
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Interesting Peterman is ranked higher than Dobbs. I still wonder if Peterman had a decent o-line if he would have been more successful. I also think Dormady will be awesome if he has an good o-line and receivers that can get open and make catches.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
For those interested, the throwing velocity numbers from the combine were recently released. I searched, but couldn't find Dobbs' numbers, so I'm assuming he didn't throw.

Here they are.


Previous year's numbers for reference

A post putting the velocity numbers in perspective

Also, a table breaking down the correlation between QB throwing velocity and success

Basically, going off of history, most successful QBs can hit at least 55 mph. Being under that doesn't mean a QB can't be successful though, and there are plenty of guys who could throw the living s*** out of the ball who never panned out too (Bray hit 59).


So, all of that being said, that number might show why Watson's stock isn't as high as many thought it would/should be going into the draft (and why guys like Kizer and Mahomes' stock has risen). I'm not sure there has ever been a successful NFL QB in the modern era who couldn't hit the low 50s (though Mike Glennon will have a chance with the Bears to buck that trend in 2017).


Makes me interested to see what Dobbs' numbers are. I don't think he threw.
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Now this is an interesting measurement. This kinda goes to my point I was trying to make to him that shall remain nameless as to what it looks like from JD. I related it to an outfielder's arm, vs a 3rd baseman. The outfielder has to throw it farther but the 3rd baseman has to get it there in a hurry.

Nice find.
 
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walkenvol said:
Which P5 QB wouldn't do well in that situation?
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What does the conference he played in have to do with his performance at the combine? If his success was due to the the weaker conference he wouldn't be ranked as high at the combine. Do you really think the weaker conference helped him at the combine?
 
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